centre diff issues
Just chasing some idea's on what happens to subaru centre diffs when they start to wear out.
When i first got my car, the car was tight feeling, and when parking especially when hot resulted in clunking and banging from the drivetrain. Under hard acceleration the car felt like a AWD car, and felt like front and rear wheels both spun in the wet. lately i have noticed (in the last 4 months) that it doesnt clunk when parking when hot, and doesnt feel as "tight" to drive as it did before. Now in the wet it almost feels like toomuch power is going to the rear wheels. It still puts power to the front but something feels different, and in all honesty i really prefered it when it was tight feeling. Now what i want to find out is how long do the centre diff's last before they wear out? what are the symptoms of them wearing out? with the car up in the air it still feels like if you hold the rear wheels and turn the front that it is tight, but possibly not as tight as before. I guess also, if it is starting to wearout what are replacement options? Thanks Tom |
more likley the rear diff,
but if you launch, and only the front light up, then its your centre. subaru's without dccd drive the fronts before rear. |
well, i have launched her many times, she always spins all 4, but i did snap both front drive shafts earlier this year on a launch. weird thing is the car actully drove ok too, apart from the noise of 2 shafts banging around. The rear diff does work although doesnt feel super strong. mayby that is causing the strange feeling?
I will go for a few launches later this arvo |
I wore out the plates in my rear diff and then 6 months later the centre diff plates were shagged. The 5 speed DCCD can not be rebuilt. i.e. find a 2nd hand one or buy a fixed sti motorsport one.
Fixing the plates in the rear diff is a cheap exercise. Brendon |
[QUOTE=urabus]Fixing the plates in the rear diff is a cheap exercise.
Brendon[/QUOTE] Assuming it's a plate LSD, which most are not. Viscous LSD is not servicable, neither is a suretrac. |
i think it is a viscous Rear lsd. Pulled the centre diff out today. the viscous fluid was all black and very smelly. I think i will just get a new one. any options on getting seccond hand?
how strong are the rear diffs meant to feel? with the car in the air idling in 3rd gear, you can hold one of the rear wheels stopped, it still feels like a lsd but im not sure how strong it is now. what would be a better option a sti 20kg centre (i think that one is stock in the v6's?? or a dccd. |
your sti would have had a 12kg centre too, a 20kg will certainly add a lot of noise on turns.
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what other effects will it have on how the car drives? i have been reading that the clunking when turning when hot is a sign of a failing centre diff?
but i can understand a strong centre clunking when turning. how can i identify what sort of diff it is? |
understeer if your not prepared for it (its like driving a 4wd with the hubs locked on the tarmac)
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so they bias the car to want to understeer more. what about if you are prepared how do they react?
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If you pulled the viscous coupling apart enough to get the fluid out, it's farked. They cannot be reassembled.
It's a myth that Sti's had anything other than the standard 4KG/m centre diff or DCCD. None of them came standard with a 12 or 20kg/m diff. When you drive a car with one fitted you'll understand why. The tight viscous couplings were competition parts that were fitted after the cars were made usually only for competition use. I've got plenty of good secondhand late type 4kg/m couplings if you want one. $180. |
there wasnt really any fluid in there. was more like a grease and there wasnt much there. it was very thick.
what are the ways to identify the type of coupling? because i really would prefer the same that was in there, whatever it was. there was a 6 digit number on it, does that mean anything? |
Some have engraving on them, others have no identifiable markings. I have a cut off shaft I mount them on and feel the effort requred to turn them. Highly techno stuff, but a stock 4 KG can be turned with one hand, 12 KG takes a fair effort, 20 KG and you need to be Arnie Swarzenegger. I've tried using a torque wrech to measure them but it's way too variable depending on the speed you turn the shaft.
It's too late to measure the one you pulled apart, but unless somebody put it there especially for autokhana in Japan, chances are it was a 4 KG/m. |
The car is a australian delivered sti, so it would have the stock diff. proberly 4kg. i guess the 12kg diffs are hard to come by?
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Yeah, you can buy them brand new, there are 2 different types (early and late) they sell for about $1600 new from memory. Yours will require a late type. Leigh at RMS had some used ones for sale a while back at $900 ea. maybe still has them? I can't recall if they were early or late though.
Otherwise let me know if you want a good stock one cheap. |
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