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slappy 28-06-2009 05:06 PM

Replacement Key?
 
I need a new key for the forester and I was wondering what the cheapest option is?

Can you get a key cut and then get a new immobiliser remote separately? I heard genuine subaru keys are like $300?

smerm07 28-06-2009 05:07 PM

yeah subaru quoted me $300 for a new key with the immobiliser.

slappy 28-06-2009 05:09 PM

surely you can buy a set of new aftermarket key fobs cheaper than that though?

smerm07 28-06-2009 05:11 PM

not to sure, i could get the key for about $100 but then that would just open the doors manually, but then i need to turn the immobiliser off so its kind of pointless. wouldnt mind knowing some options as well as i only have 1 key and its falling apart

slappy 28-06-2009 06:17 PM

In the US they have spare remotes on ebay.
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-KEY-REMOTE-05-06-SUBARU-FORESTER-IMPREZA-NHVWB1U711_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3a500be4a5QQitemZ250451059877QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories[/url]

Not sure if these will work here?

smerm07 28-06-2009 06:20 PM

[QUOTE=slappy]In the US they have spare remotes on ebay.
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-KEY-REMOTE-05-06-SUBARU-FORESTER-IMPREZA-NHVWB1U711_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3a500be4a5QQitemZ250451059877QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories[/url]

Not sure if these will work here?[/QUOTE]
im not sure how the programming would work though, linking the car to the remote. would have thought it would need to be done by subaru

JDM_STYLE 28-06-2009 06:40 PM

[QUOTE=smerm07]im not sure how the programming would work though, linking the car to the remote. would have thought it would need to be done by subaru[/QUOTE]

Correct as they need to match the signal code which comes
on that little silver plate that comes with your key.

They will still charge you an arm and a leg probably!

smerm07 28-06-2009 06:44 PM

[QUOTE=JDM_STYLE]Correct as they need to match the signal code which comes
on that little silver plate that comes with your key.

They will still charge you an arm and a leg probably![/QUOTE]
silver plate? i dont have one of those. couldnt you match it yourself though?

SPEC IV 28-06-2009 06:55 PM

Why do you only have one key?? I would be asking the dealer/person you bought it off where the other one is... :cool:

JDM_STYLE 28-06-2009 07:07 PM

[QUOTE=smerm07]silver plate? i dont have one of those. couldnt you match it yourself though?[/QUOTE]

Pretty sure if it was that easy, cars could be stolen even easier than
they are nowdays.

smerm07 28-06-2009 07:44 PM

[QUOTE=JDM_STYLE]Pretty sure if it was that easy, cars could be stolen even easier than
they are nowdays.[/QUOTE]
makes sense. so going through subaru is the only way then?

Pimpreza 28-06-2009 11:33 PM

Can't remember the name of the place but it's opposite the BP in the complex on the corner of Main & Royal in Ozzy Pk, they are much cheaper for remotes/keys than anyone else, look in the yellow pages under Locksmith on Main st & give them a ring.

Rossco 29-06-2009 12:06 AM

[QUOTE=smerm07]not to sure, i could get the key for about $100 but then that would just open the doors manually, but then i need to turn the immobiliser off so its kind of pointless. wouldnt mind knowing some options as well as i only have 1 key and its falling apart[/QUOTE]


The use of vehicle transponders was introduced as a result of the German Insurance bodies refusing to underwrite vehicles that did not have some form of passive electronic immobilisation. The passive meaning that no action had to be undertaken by the user to 'arm' the system.

A transponder system comprises two primary components being the processor/interrogator and a microchip (transponder) embedded within the head of the key. The processor usually interacts with the fuel injection and varied other vehicle electronics systems.

When an attempt to start the vehicle is made, the interrogator sends a burst of Radio Frequency (RF) energy - at a defined frequency - to an antenna which usually surrounds the face of the ignition cylinder. As the transponder contains a tuned circuit matched to the frequency of the RF burst, a small voltage is generated by induction within the transponder chip. Whether this charges a capacitor I don't know, [B]but the result is that the induced voltage causes the transponder chip to emit, by RF, it's individual code number - a thirty two (32) digit number, which can also contain alfa numeric characters.

If the processor recognises the returned code number, it then allows the starter motor, fuel pump and/or fuel injection systems to function, and allow the vehicle to start. A common sign of a faulty or absent transponder is that the vehicle will start but will only run for a few seconds.

As suggested recently, it is the processor/interrogator module that is programmed with which key is allowed start privileges. The transponder chip is only an identification number for the key in which it is embedded. Interestingly, the amount of time it takes to start, send and stop the transmission of the code number is a factor as to whether the processor will accept the code. [/B]

The main players in transponder technology seem to be Philips, Texas Instruments and Megamos, which each have their own idiosyncrasies regarding replacement keys and such.

Some transponder keys can be duplicated using reader/encoding hardware and software and writable transponder chips. Others have to be introduced (programmed) into the processor/Interrogator to be functional.

Several key blank manufacturers, Silca in particular, are devoting a considerable amount of R&D into transponder technology to enable the locksmith industry to offer a viable service to customers who's vehicles have transponder immobilisers fitted. With the exception of BMW, Mercedes, Volvo and a few Euros' using "crypto" or rolling code transponders, the 'average locksmith' is able to provide key duplication, and generation in some cases, on a competitive basis without manufacturer or dealer involvement.

Some systems require the use of a 'learning key' to program additional keys - Honda and some Euros.

Toyota use a master (black head) and sub master key (grey head) system, similar to their mechanical valet key system. The valet/sub master will operate door and ignition locks and start the vehicle but cannot be used to introduce new key to the vehicle. The master key is used in conjunction with a series of ignition on/off cycles and opening and closing of the door to introduce new keys. - sounds strange but it's true !

Ford , in Australia at least, are very easy if you have a working key. For a lost key it is more time consuming than anything.

Mitsubishi and Isuzu require use of a "dealer only module" and their universal diagnostic tool - the hand held 'computer screen' that they plug into the vehicle for diagnostics.

If a customer presents with a broken key, it is possible to duplicate or generate a new key using a normal key blank and then hold the broken key's head close to the ignition cylinder to allow the vehicle to start. Another method is to carefully remove the transponder chip from the key head and epoxy the chip to the key. Of course using the correct OEM or transponder key blank is the ideal solution.

Having two transponder keys on the same key ring or in close proximity to the ignition cylinder when starting the vehicle can cause both keys to emit their codes at the same time, and cause the processor/interrogator to fail to accept either code. - corrupt data so to speak. As to whether having a "toll road transponder" interfere with vehicle immobiliser, it is possible..but unlikely as the "toll transponder" would probably operate at a different frequency.

Some of the immobilisers can be disabled by use of the vehicle system diagnostic tool, but I feel that this function is for diagnostics rather than disabling the immobiliser completely.

As for the 'lost key problem at midnight on a Friday night', well...because the technology is fairly new and the manufacturers are being VERY protective of the information on bypassing the systems, I can't offer much insight.

dtrally 29-06-2009 12:40 AM

I used to work at a auto repair business next to a supermarket. The supermarket had one parking bay right at the front door. They also had some door opener or phone system that would stop any Jeep Cherokee that parked in that bay from starting. Took us a while to work out what was happening but it only affected Jeep Cherokees and only if they parked in that bay. They would crank, but not start. Push them away and all was good. If the owners asked for help politely, we'd explain what was going on with the transponder, if they ranted and carried on with " I hope you know what you're doing!!" we let their cars sit in the workshop a while and charged them $60.

slappy 01-07-2009 09:24 AM

[QUOTE=Pimpreza]Can't remember the name of the place but it's opposite the BP in the complex on the corner of Main & Royal in Ozzy Pk, they are much cheaper for remotes/keys than anyone else, look in the yellow pages under Locksmith on Main st & give them a ring.[/QUOTE]

Diamond Lock & Key
1/ 227 Main St Osborne Park WA 6017
ph: (08) 9344 1965

They said they can make keys with the transponders for $150, you wont have keyless entry though :(

GX-REX 01-07-2009 10:43 AM

[QUOTE=slappy]Diamond Lock & Key
1/ 227 Main St Osborne Park WA 6017
ph: (08) 9344 1965

They said they can make keys with the transponders for $150, you wont have keyless entry though :([/QUOTE]

Hmmm interesting. I went in there to recode some locks a few months ago. They scanned my key and said it was a philips? transponder and they cant do them. This is for 98 wrx though and they dont have the keyless entry on the key. Perhaps the later models are a different transponder.

Pimpreza 01-07-2009 03:25 PM

If it's only a spare key that's not too bad compared to $300 or more.

Rossco 02-07-2009 05:59 PM

Ashley electrical do remote transmitters for most cars at around half the cost of OEM.

NVRENUF 02-07-2009 07:21 PM

yeah its the whole encoding side of things too. not just the remote fob.

I would just get the subaru one to be honest. I would just like the genuine key.

But another vote for diamond lock and key they cut and had the top half to a key for my brother in law 09 ss ute, and we took it to holden to get the bottom half and code it in.

and they deleted the lost one out of the computer.

TheDoctor 24-06-2012 02:22 PM

I just got a spare transponder key made up for my MY99 WRX as I was only given one when I bought the car (the person I bought it off had lost the other key).

I got my new spare made up in under an hour by Cobbler Plus in Joondalup Mall. The new key locks and unlocks the doors and starts the car. It cost me $189.00

They are one of the kiosks in the main atrium area of the mall.

ImPreSiV 24-06-2012 02:48 PM

wtf were you doing in Joondalup? I need to get a spare key made for the Liberty as I only got 1 remote key with it, and it's not in great shape

TheDoctor 24-06-2012 03:45 PM

Lol, wanted to go for a drive. Joondalup is one of the only malls open on a Sunday. They do remote keys there too.

I got two remotes made up the week before last as well because the original one that came with the car broke (the button came off the microchip, luckily I didn't lose it).

I got them done at Big Brother Security they were bloody good to deal with and would recommend them also.

fffffred 20-05-2013 09:58 PM

Details on programming: [url=http://www.cars101.com/subaru/keyless.html]Subaru Keyless Entry, Security Alarm, Immobilizer Key, Remote Start Systems. Most years and models[/url]

Gordon91 31-05-2013 06:50 PM

i lost my key.. went to Osbourne Park... they charged me 600 per key... i bought the car next door at VW , and the car only came with one key. feeling mighty ripped off .

mARC 16-09-2014 09:53 PM

Bumping it up.

I'm sure there was a more specific thread on this topic but chasing the key fob for a Bugeye WRX, I've searched through e-bay but can't seem to find anything.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

[IMG]http://i61.tinypic.com/t6cq4j.jpg[/IMG]

thehowlfactor 16-09-2014 10:04 PM

I found this one, only problem may be the price. [url=http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Subaru-Genuine-2-Button-Key-BRAND-NEW-SUITS-Impreza-WRX-Liberty-Outback-/261587311517?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3ce7d19b9d&_uhb=1]Subaru Genuine 2 Button KEY Brand NEW Suits Impreza WRX Liberty Outback | eBay[/url]

Also found this, but no internal circuit boards. [url=http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SUBARU-2-buttons-Remote-Key-Shell-case-for-FORESTER-LEGACY-IMPREZA-WRX-OUTBACK-/161167498051?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item258654db43&_uhb=1]Subaru 2 Buttons Remote KEY Shell Case FOR Forester Legacy Impreza WRX Outback | eBay[/url]

Any help?

mARC 16-09-2014 10:09 PM

First one wouldn't be a match, and is also smoking crack at the same time (you could purchase new for that price).

Second one appears to be correct and same as others out:

[url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUBARU-2-Button-Remote-Key-Blank-Shell-FORESTER-LEGACY-IMPREZA-OUTBACK-DAT17-/181297788133?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a3630b4e5&vxp=mtr]Subaru 2 Button Remote Key Blank Shell Forester Legacy Impreza Outback DAT17 | eBay[/url]

They look a bit thin but I'm guessing that's just how the after market options are.

No need for internals, just looking to swap the board and key over.

Cheers for the references.

mARC 16-09-2014 10:13 PM

Does anyone know of a local locksmith that sells these?

RichX 17-09-2014 05:40 PM

I could do another one of those, I am on my second one. Over a few years it goes all rubbery as I am sure you are aware, and the inevitably falls apart.


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