Connecticut shooting
 

What a tragic day in Connecticut.
It is time that the US had a big think again about their gun legislation.
I know that the NRA and other groups will protest strongly about their constitutional right to bear arms.
It is time for a change. I am sure it will take many years for any change to have effect due to the amount of guns already out there but they can limit the amount of new guns and the style of weapons sold. I am sure you don't need a milspec assault rifle to go squirrel hunting.

Rant ended.

My thoughts go out to the families involved.

As a recreational shooter, my stance is we should have the right to "bear arms" however hand guns, semi/auto weapons should be in a class of they're own, similar to how it is here.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people, just guns make it easier.

Rip to all those lives that were taken so early.

Take away the guns and they will still find ways of doing this. It America, they are fucked. Everyone needs to stop being so narrow minded and look at the bigger picture.

@ Steve
I have no problems with gun owners or rec shooters. In fact myself and a mate are looking to join a pistol club. I was impressed with the amount of training and time it takes here to obtain a license and a weapon.

@ Tony
Agreed if not guns then knives or bats etc etc.
The big picture is gun reform for the US and countries with the same laws.
That does not mean knee jerk reactions to appease the media but sustainable laws that take into account the views and needs of all.


Hunting and target shooting are legitimate sports.
Guns for home defense...not warranted in Aust in [U]my opinion [/U].
There just needs to be a middle ground.

All responses welcomed.

[QUOTE=safe;727240]@ Steve
I have no problems with gun owners or rec shooters. In fact myself and a mate are looking to join a pistol club. I was impressed with the amount of training and time it takes here to obtain a license and a weapon.

@ Tony
Agreed if not guns then knives or bats etc etc.
The big picture is gun reform for the US and countries with the same laws.
That does not mean knee jerk reactions to appease the media but sustainable laws that take into account the views and needs of all.


Hunting and target shooting are legitimate sports.
Guns for home defense...not warranted in Aust in [U]my opinion [/U].
There just needs to be a middle ground.

All responses welcomed.[/QUOTE]

Thats still not the bigger picture. Gun re-form and all that crap is just something that has been stirred up by the media alienating everyone who reads the news etc. They need to look at why people are doing this in America and no where else that has similar gun laws.

the big picture is more along the lines of what makes american people decide to mass murder groups of innocent people? guns are just their tools. anything to do with gun laws is a knee jerk to the bigger problem that seems to plague america. Maybe its all that crap food they eat?

Obama will do something.

The time for change is now USA.
All i know is that i dont want my daughter to have to sit and learn an emergency drill where they know what to do when a shooter comes into the school

Not going to disagree with you Tony as far as needing to find out the reasoning behind these events.

Really any gun reform law is a knee jerk reaction ??
I believe that reform entails researching the whole matter including all you have mentioned.

I am not trying to pick arguments here...I was horrified at the shooting and posted up my view.
Not saying it is the only view.

Rest in Peace to those who lost their lives in this tragedy. Police are now alleging one of the victims was the perpetrator's mother - a kindergarten teacher at Sandy Hook.

Something needs to change in the US, mass shootings don't occur with this frequency in other countries with lax gun laws. All the violence in the media from the US makes me never want to visit there and makes me fear for the safety of family over there. I can't even begin to imagine the fear parents over there must have on a daily basis sending their kids to school.

Yesterday, on the same day of the mass killing of children by a mentally unstable gunman in the USA, in China, another mentally unstable man goes berserk outside a school house in central China. Wielding a knife, he stabbed 22 children and one adult.

0 deaths.

Oh shit...Not a good day at all :(

yeah I agree it's time America took a stance on High powered assault rifles and also didn't they have a young man not long too ago going around in Washington with a sniper rifle??

Why in the world you need these guns for recreational use has me dumbfounded.
The N.R.A. response to more armed security staff at schools is laughable.
They'd be $5 per hour staff sitting around scratching their asses most of the time.
Like the conversation we had Dave , they would not be able to respond quick enough to make a difference if someone turned up with a machine gun.

I don't don't have a problem with America's "right to bare arms" but surely people have a right to feel safe?

end rant

I'm glad my kids go to school here.

gun cabinet anyone? cmon usa..

Imagine this scenario : you are having a party at your house but one of the guests may be a knife murderer but you don't know who. your options are:
1. take away all the knives and frisk all guests entering the house
2. give all the guests a knife each as it will act as a deterrent

which will you choose?

^ or ensure the size and style of knife your guest can carry is restricted (weapon style and magazine size). And take comfort in the ability to protect your family with a legal firearm your trained in the use of??

Not saying you're wrong. I disagree with some aspects of your opinion that's all. Have a read of this.

[url]http://www.naturalnews.com/036537_James_Holmes_Batman_shooting.html[/url]

The whole concept of what's going on in America is quite sickening to me.
I've read several reports about the nature of these incidents and it baffles me how they maintain an environment that glorifies guns and aggression as the solution to solving conflict.

Seems like they have 2 answers.

1. Do nothing. Highly likely outcome.
2. Close the borders, make sure everyone has a gun and training and wait till they run out of ammo.

300m people in America

280m guns

900 000 held by police forces, about 5 million by the army....

Good luck getting the 260 odd million back.

^ accounted for anyway..

Ah what have I started...Thanks for all your views on the subject.
I may not agree with all of them..(or you with mine) that is why it is called debate and I think this is healthy discussion.

No one has ever said there is an easy solution but be farked if I think that is an excuse not to try.

Change does not have to be bad or discriminatory but should focus on the greater good, not just those that speak the loudest.

(cringes in anticipation)

Ever watched Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore? Based around the late 90's Columbine High School massacre. Very interesting doco. Also compares the US & Canada and the different cultures of effectively neighbours.
Looks at a range of issues and suggests that the sensationalist nature of the US media has a large part to play in it all.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFMUeUErYVg[/url]

These are facts.

Either no one has guns (including authority) or everyone does.

^ very interesting and realistic information

Obama's "fake crying" seems to have raised other questions:

[url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-sandy-hook-school-massacre-unanswered-questions-and-missing-information/5316776]The Sandy Hook School Massacre: Unanswered Questions and Missing Information | Global Research[/url]