[QUOTE=Mat]1. Select an engine/transmission type:
Commodore SS 6.0L 6-speed manual Generation 4 Alloy V8 $44,990.00 RRP*
Commodore SS 6.0L 6-speed automatic with Active Select Generation 4 Alloy V8 $46,990.00 RRP

Thats according to Holdens website before any of the add on stuff. NFI how much ORC's are? Would it be 3 or 4K?

Either way, its like comparing apples to oranges and keep in mind the truely legendary Camira and the Leyland P76 or something once won COTY ;) Wheels also seem very Holden biased too, but perhaps thats how they make more money.

Perhaps it didnt deserve the win? Maybe it did but stupid comments like "its a bucket of shit" is the hardly general publics opinion[/QUOTE]
thaks for input Mat, it's clearly no bucket of shit - infact it looks like it's been designed with AWD in mind, guess they just ran out of $$. AWD and the commodore starts to really stand out, without no interest for me! :D

Im sure Holden were experimenting with AWD a while back? On those unusual looking Monaros (??).

Bring on a 1900kg 6L awd sedan! Seemed to work ok for the Veyron :p

HSV Coupe4

Hmmm interesting thread but how fast can the 6L barge go around a track? $ for $ my money is on the WRX. If you want a quick nimble car go a WRX, if you want comfortable family car thats quick in a straight line and can impress your mates with some burnouts the Commodore is a great car. These two cars really shouldn't be compared, they are designed for completely different purposes.

See i disagree when it comes to the WRX being quick and nimble. Maybe 7 years ago, however I guess build quality, rules and reg's has changed since then! 05's are still 1500kgs+ and thats a lot for 2l to push!

What would be good is to see one GOOD driver hit Barbagello and compare a few of these cars (say XR6t, ss's, sti's, evos etc) on the same day. That way driving skill doesnt come into play. Give him 10 laps of each car and then let the results do the speaking. Would be a real world test and could possibly make a good feature in PSC (TJ??)

Agreed, i've lost count of the times i wish i didn't buy this MY03 and gone for a GC series WRX but even the GD is a lot more nimble than a Falcodore. I'd also like to see a direct comparison especially on a longer track like Barbagallo. Im going on what i've seen and driven against at AHG sprint and Collie and the similarly modified Barges just don't stand a chance especially on tighter circuits.

[QUOTE=Mat]What would be good is to see one GOOD driver hit Barbagello and compare a few of these cars (say XR6t, ss's, sti's, evos etc) on the same day. That way driving skill doesnt come into play. Give him 10 laps of each car and then let the results do the speaking. Would be a real world test and could possibly make a good feature in PSC (TJ??)[/QUOTE]
What we need is THE STIG!

WRX over commodore any day. I think it's the type of people that drive them that put me off them, not the car itself. The fact that the resale value is bad means virtually any Jo Blo can by a second hand one cheap as a first car, whereas the resale value of WRX's and the price of insurance means you need a bit more cash for a first car, which sorts the wheat from the chaff... so to speak. Basically, [B]slightly[/B] more experienced and [B]slightly[/B] more sensible people drive WRX's.

[QUOTE=Pettata]What we need is THE STIG!

WRX over commodore any day. I think it's the type of people that drive them that put me off them, not the car itself. The fact that the resale value is bad means virtually any Jo Blo can by a second hand one cheap as a first car, whereas the resale value of WRX's and the price of insurance means you need a bit more cash for a first car, which sorts the wheat from the chaff... so to speak. Basically, [B]slightly[/B] more experienced and [B]slightly[/B] more sensible people drive WRX's.[/QUOTE]

You rang? :D

Having driven a Monaro & STi/EVO around our test track, I can tell you categorically that the Holden (Vauxhall in UK) doesn't even come close - too heavy & inefficient suspension/brakes vs power output when compared to the turbo AWD cars.

[QUOTE=Pettata]
. Basically, [B]slightly[/B] more experienced and [B]slightly[/B] more sensible people drive WRX's.[/QUOTE]

ROFL, have you not noticed some of the younger people signing up to these very forums. WRX's are the new silvia

My ss cost me $48k on road.
I definately dont have money to burn or anything like that but like i was saying, if your main concern about buying a (new)car is what your going to lose on it, then its not worth buying a new car and you may aswell buy a MY94 wrx. As the VE is new, i couldnt buy a cheaper one.
I've lost alot on my wrx's (not including selling my 12sec MY94 for $12.5k) and considering people have bought MY00 for as low as $14k with less than 100,000km on the clock (red book is a crock of shit, you will only get back what someone will pay for it) show that they also dont exactly hold their value much.
As for track times, Motor did a track run on the north circuit at oran park for the BFYB. Their times were :
Wrx - 37.5 sec
STi - 35.5 sec
evo IX - 35.2 sec
rs4 - 36.4 sec
xr6t - 37.4sec
ss - 36.8sec

so its no track warrior but its still faster than a standard new wrx.
A modified wrx vs a modified VE SS may be a different story. ALOT more development has gone into the wrx for parts ( as we all know, wrx's are out in jpn alot longer than they are released in aus ) so they would definately have an advantage there. But coil-overs are already available on the VE and tuning etc is also on the increase. Only a matter of time till someone goes all out on one. Bring on GTP!
As said before, would be good to see a modifed version of both put on Barbagello.
Im probably just trying to justify my purchase, but yeah they are honestly different to the older model commodores. Holden are actually starting to learn a bit. (ps: plus we keep some peoples jobs in the country..thats gotta be a good thing!)