get realistic guys, dealers survive on the second hand marked (not much in a new car) and the mark up is anything from 4000 to 6000 for a used car ,and a *three months warranties. Buying private is the way to go, make sure you go hunting with some one that knows about cars and the savings will offset all the crap about “dealer’s warranties” and all the associated BS that goes with….

*warranties is a bit of red herring, between 60.000 and 130.000K don’t expect much to go wrong with a Subaru , that is, no mods.