Well, pulled the liners off this morning, made sure none of the wires will rub, plugged some holes, sprayed under the guards with sound deadner and rust proof, and the fucker still rubs, ggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..... think it rubs just past where the liners sat on the metal, will have to suss it all out once the new rims on I think!!! At least it's one more off the list...