Been reading this thread with great interest....

To compare the VN with the VE is utter crap, and I can speak from experience as I have had Commodores from VL to VE, my missus has the Lumina which we bought last month.

The VE is a far superior drive, we drove it to Albany last month and it was a pleasure to dive, I can tell you our VN was not (When we had it)...

So many experts.......lol......