so there still isnt a straight answer to:
12-24 demerits (full licence and p's)
24+ demerit. (full licence and p's) (assuming there are no other assoiated charges such as dangerous driving, repeat offences, dui etc)

OR
whether police need to fill out paper work on the spot/and/or give you a fine at the scene, and not just say, you'll see it in the mail, and drive off.

AND dont assume that either of the above are for me, or my licenece, they are just questioins that people have asked, and struggle to find answers to.