Its not 17k, asking price is 15k and might be able to get it lower. So I will see what happends. One thing that pulls me towards buying it is I wont have to do anything to it for a while. I mean I have seen so many people go out and buy second hand cars and shit goes wrong pretty quick. He is been my mechanic for about five years now and I known can trust him. Cars been well looked after with redline oils used in gearbox and diffs. Serviced regularly. Belts changed and new wheels and rubber. There are a few gc8 wagons for sale privatly I have seen around and most of them go for 10ks but you never know the real history of those cars. This is a genuine sale to free up room for the projects he has going at the moment. But I understand what you are saying teejay, 15 k does seem abit for a gc8.