P plater Laws
 

Hey

Theres been much debate recently about what the actual laws are for P plater laws...
everyone ive asked has given me a different answer and when i google it it only comes up with NSW and QLD laws

So im wondering does anyone have The laws that they can quote directly with a link so i know...

Thanks guys
Daniel

Tried the wa dpi site ?

[QUOTE=DukeDrifter;747476]Tried the wa dpi site ?[/QUOTE]

yeah looked on there all i could find was driving restrictions like the night ones, demerit points limits and 0 BAC

As far as i know there are the following restrictions in place: (for p plates)
1st Phase - 6 months (Red):
- BAC of 0
- Restricted driving hours. Cant drive between 12 midnight - 5am unless its for work in which they need to supply you with a letter incase you are pulled over to explain that your driving to work.

2nd Phase - 18 months (Green):
- BAC of 0

So from Learners to Provisional licence the only differences are:
- Max (legal) speed of 100km/h goes to 110km/h
- Max driving time of 2 hrs in one drive without a 15 min or more break is lifted and you can drive for how ever long you want to.

There are No Performance restrictions on any of the L/P plate phases.... yet
$100 fine if caught with out p plates displayed.

You have 4 demerit points for the year that your on l's get another 4 the first year on your P's then another 4 when you get your full licence -- [U]Will need to check that though[/U]

All acts, codes and regulations are found here: [url=http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/default.html]Western Australian Legislation - Home[/url]

Turns out if money permits and i manage to convince the parents i may be getting a WRX then :D

I would highly suggest to get something a little less than a WRX as its likely youre going to bump, grind, knock or hit objects as you gain experience on the road (and in car parks!) in the first few years of your driving career. Then there is the argument about empowering a P plater with a rocket...

Hopefully your parents will have the same view.

[QUOTE=matto20v;747502]I would highly suggest to get something a little less than a WRX as its likely youre going to bump, grind, knock or hit objects as you gain experience on the road (and in car parks!) in the first few years of your driving career. Then there is the argument about empowering a P plater with a rocket...

Hopefully your parents will have the same view.[/QUOTE]

I didnt mean straight up but after driving for abit

[QUOTE=Wells97;747500]Turns out if money permits and i manage to convince the parents i may be getting a WRX then :D[/QUOTE]

Take it from someone who got a WRX before they were ready/gained the experience to own one.

Start with something small and non turbo. Gain an understanding of how it handles in the wet, dry and in emergency situations.

Once you gain enough experience and are confident with that car, you can move up to something else.

Then book into a skid pan/defensive driving day.

Gl


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:/ *Dreams Crushed*
Haha but yeah i guess i should listen to you people... All people in the same boat as me when you were younger..

Id say keep the FTO for say the first 6 months on your P's but go out get some alone road experience and do some events like Motorkhana/skid pan days/tuning days. Get use to a car moving around on the edge before you jump into something quicker.

Motorkhanas are great value and you learn low speed car control and putting the car in "garages" and around bollards and you can do them now seeing your over 16!! I Usually rock up to them and so does Alex. Next one is on the 28th? i think.

When I was getting my l/p's I had competed on both gravel (autocross) and tarmac (motorkhana) in a 1.5l carby lancer before I got the RS. Not long after i had done 2 skid pan days in the first 2 weeks of owning the RS haha.

[QUOTE=lachy294;747510]Id say keep the FTO for say the first 6 months on your P's but go out get some alone road experience and do some events like Motorkhana/skid pan days/tuning days. Get use to a car moving around on the edge before you jump into something quicker.
[/QUOTE]

Sadly i have to get rid of the FTO its got a few *cough* alot *cough* of problems and the parts are astronomically priced

But with the motokhana thing even though im on my l's can i compete

I cant imagine wrapping your car round a pole would be :/
But atleast the lamp posts in Wa are designed to bend when you hit them
not like in the uk where they are concrete and you and up having a lamp post sat next to you

I would also probably recommend sticking with something less powerful for a first car, you're going to get some damage whether it be by yourself or others. That's a given. Another thing, if money is an issue is insurance. Maybe your parents can help you out by putting it under their policy or something but that's just something to think of before looking around at higher end performance.

To be honest, I've never actually done a skid pan day or anything like that, probably could learn a thing or two and I hear they are highly recommended so I would suggest checking them out.

I had a '97 Mitsubishi Magna as my first car. Was lowered to all hell, 18" rims, chipped, exhaust. I thought I was the shit. Looking back now it was pretty funny. But I did as I (and others) have suggested and waited it out before moving into a 5.7L V8, that was fun and many fonds memories were had.

As the other guys have said look into track days and events, not too sure about the age limit/what level of licensing you need to be on but I would presume the minimum would be your P's.

Good luck with it all man, drive safe and don't fall for peer pressure!

Yeah money is always something to consider sadly...

I might have to go and find out about all them events and hopefully its the same as motorkhana (i did a quick search) and you just have to have a supervisor with you..

I dont get why people do that ( no offence) but they get a car which isnt all that amazing and mod the hell out of it, i guess its just a phase really..
What car did you get after that????

Thanks man And as for the peer pressure the best thing about having mates who arnt into cars is they'll never be like "pop the clutch" and stuff

Someone on here should be able to give you some more information about those events.

Haha no offence taken, it was actually purchased like that, I didn't mind it except for scraping up every kerb/speed hump. It even had a few victories against some skylines etc.

Umm went from the magna to a VYsII SS then to an R34 GT-T now to a WRX, plenty out there it's all about taste.

That's a good thing then I suppose. They just won't appreciate you beast as much as some would :P

Yeah Ill just do some quick searching tommorow when im abit more awake.

It was so much worse in the uk people would buy corsa's (barina's) and renault clio's and peugot 206's and out huge exhausts and body kits on them.

Thats quite a nice selection of cars you've gone through....

But thats what you guys are for, If i ever get to a Scooby ill sure as hell be at every meet haha

[QUOTE=Wells97;747521]I cant imagine wrapping your car round a pole would be :/
But atleast the lamp posts in Wa are designed to bend when you hit them
not like in the uk where they are concrete and you and up having a lamp post sat next to you[/QUOTE]


We're not in the UK and dont care too much about what goes on there.

[QUOTE=matto20v;747530]We're not in the UK and dont care too much about what goes on there.[/QUOTE]

But the OP is and it is good to draw on experiences from other cultures.

To the OP, in all honesty I had more fun driving my unmodded shitbox round the UK streets than I do driving my modded WRX now...why? Because I am not physically as capabale as the car is. High speed cornering, late braking and harsh mid-corner acceleration is scarily easy and when you are a new driver you absolutely need a car that will tell you when you are doing something wrong.

My 2c

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[QUOTE=matto20v;747530]We're not in the UK and dont care too much about what goes on there.[/QUOTE]

I was just saying

I just sold my 05 STI to a 16 year old. [I]YOLO[/I]

[QUOTE=98kellrs;747534]But the OP is and it is good to draw on experiences from other cultures.
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Errr, he was going on about the difference in the lamp posts "in the UK".

I dont think many would care about "in the UK". Those who would, havent been subjected to a conversation where the all the person talks about is "in the UK..." Makes for a very boring conversation I must say.

[QUOTE=matto20v;747548]Errr, he was going on about the difference in the lamp posts "in the UK".

I dont think many would care about "in the UK". Those who would, havent been subjected to a conversation where the all the person talks about is "in the UK..." Makes for a very boring conversation I must say.[/QUOTE]

I dont always say "in the uk"
But yeah i agree the people who its all they talk about it makes you think why are you even in Australia

[QUOTE=Sharpy.au;747538]I just sold my 05 STI to a 16 year old. [I]YOLO[/I][/QUOTE]

Shit, that must be one happy 16 year old.


And to the OP, as others say get a cheap and reliable car and make sure you don't get a lemon, My N/A impreza was awesome but in the first year I spent more then what the car was worth in servicing alone but then again I drove the shit out of my car and didn't worry because it was and kind of still is a POS so another scratch here and there didn't phase me. Even when I crashed it at collie I wasn't to worried and I would rather crash a $4k rx instead of a $20k + wrx, so start off small and work your way up :)


Ohh and definetley do some RAC track days and drive on as many different surfaces/types of roads and conditions.

[QUOTE=Sharpy.au;747538]I just sold my 05 STI to a 16 year old. [I]YOLO[/I][/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/tokennegro/Black%20Car/DSC00206-set.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE='Dan [MPS 3];747554'][IMG]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/tokennegro/Black%20Car/DSC00206-set.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I lost it laughing when i saw that

[QUOTE=subaru4eva93;747553]Ohh and definetley do some RAC track days and drive on as many different surfaces/types of roads and conditions.[/QUOTE]

Best $$$ you can spend, no point having a fast car but a slow driver.

[QUOTE=Wells97;747558]I lost it laughing when i saw that[/QUOTE]


Then you are not ready for the responsibility of a high performance car yet. Give it some more time.

I dont get how me laughing at a picture in a smart reply limits my driving ability

[QUOTE=Wells97;747571]I dont get how me laughing at a picture in a smart reply limits my driving ability[/QUOTE]

Just a stab in the dark, but I think it was a [B]maturity[/B] oriented statement?

[QUOTE='Dan [MPS 3];747572']Just a stab in the dark, but I think it was a [B]maturity[/B] statement?[/QUOTE]

Yeah most likely...
The reason i found it funny was because of the smart reply not because of the fact a guy had spanked his impreza

*sigh*

Its all related to maturity, and responsibility.

The picture depicts the worst possible outcome, most likely with death of a person, or people, as a result. The picture can cause a variation of thoughts or emotions. Some people may feel shock. Or horror. Or it could act as a reminder of consequence.

But you chose to laugh.

You're not ready for a WRX or anything high powered. Can I suggest you have mum and dad read through this thread too. If we can save your life then this has been worth the while.

[QUOTE=Wells97;747573]Yeah most likely...
The reason i found it funny was because of the smart reply not because of the fact a guy had spanked his impreza

*sigh*[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I get it. That is the reason I posted it :D

You have to have a thick skin in this place.

[QUOTE=matto20v;747574]Its all related to maturity, and responsibility.

The picture depicts the worst possible outcome, most likely with death of a person, or people, as a result. The picture can cause a variation of thoughts or emotions. Some people may feel shock. Or horror. Or it could act as a reminder of consequence.

But you chose to laugh.

You're not ready for a WRX or anything high powered. Can I suggest you have mum and dad read through this thread too. If we can save your life then this has been worth the while.[/QUOTE]

I understand your argument, but it is like the whole "don't buy a car off a young person" thing again.

And on your basis if you laugh anf giggle at some big-ass titties does that mean you are not ready for them :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=matto20v;747574]Its all related to maturity, and responsibility.

The picture depicts the worst possible outcome, most likely with death of a person, or people, as a result. The picture can cause a variation of thoughts or emotions. Some people may feel shock. Or horror. Or it could act as a reminder of consequence.

But you chose to laugh.

You're not ready for a WRX or anything high powered. Can I suggest you have mum and dad read through this thread too. If we can save your life then this has been worth the while.[/QUOTE]

I just said i wasnt laughing at the picture directly i was laughing at the smart arsed reply to the comment about selling his STI to a 16 year old..

If it makes you feel better i will be the bigger person here and apologise for laughing if it had offended you in anyway but i can assure you i dont find fatal crashes funny.....

Im not just saying this because its me but i genuinely believe i am a responsible person and yes now and again i will do something irresponsible but 99% of the time im thinking about what will happen if i do this action, And this is especially true when other peoples lives are at stake

[QUOTE='Dan [MPS 3];747575']
And on your basis if you laugh anf giggle at some big-ass titties does that mean you are not ready for them :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]


I dont think I know many who laugh or giggle when they see tits? Do you?

[QUOTE=matto20v;747578]I dont think I know many who laugh or giggle when they see tits? Do you?[/QUOTE]

Im gonna leave now this thread is just spiralling lower and lower

[QUOTE=matto20v;747578]I dont think I know many who laugh or giggle when they see tits? Do you?[/QUOTE]

No... because I am ready for them :D

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KDA2s.jpg[/IMG]

Wells97, ive Have driven all sorts of cars etc, and to be perfectly honest, the STi has got me into the least amount of trouble.
All the 4x4 and work utes etc would hang pretty sideways in the wet, do lil skids, go offroad, overload, break down the most and speed the most in, while the STi, ive cared too much about to risk it-especially before midnight. Even when the STi was my daily.

I get these other guys may have a point, and take that on board, be aware that you will still be learning you judgement of things, and in the main what other drivers are doing/going to do - as i imagine your pretty on the ball - but a lot of people on our roads are not concentrating on driving as much as the should be.

If you want to buy a wrx, by all means go and by one - i like the wait till you've racked up 10,000kms/6months first tho, in maybe a couple of different cars if the chances arise, to enable you to get a feel and 'learn' things that you can't be told, you have to experience.
and also as a side thing,
peer pressure/mates/showing off will get you into more trouble than anything else if you let it, so dont be super boring, but know your limits & what the risks are.


My 2c anyway :)

[QUOTE=squid;747582]Wells97, ive Have driven all sorts of cars etc, and to be perfectly honest, the STi has got me into the least amount of trouble.
All the 4x4 and work utes etc would hang pretty sideways in the wet, do lil skids, go offroad, overload, break down the most and speed the most in, while the STi, ive cared too much about to risk it-especially before midnight. Even when the STi was my daily.

I get these other guys may have a point, and take that on board, be aware that you will still be learning you judgement of things, and in the main what other drivers are doing/going to do - as i imagine your pretty on the ball - but a lot of people on our roads are not concentrating on driving as much as the should be.

If you want to buy a wrx, by all means go and by one - i like the wait till you've racked up 10,000kms/6months first tho, in maybe a couple of different cars if the chances arise, to enable you to get a feel and 'learn' things that you can't be told, you have to experience.
and also as a side thing,
peer pressure/mates/showing off will get you into more trouble than anything else if you let it, so dont be super boring, but know your limits & what the risks are.


My 2c anyway :)[/QUOTE]


I think this is the best answer on here :P
I think i may wait untill ive had my p's for abit then go get a WRX
It'll keep everyone happy that way.. The parents wont be worried as much and ill be happier with my driving.

But on that whole other driver thing I swear people see my l plates and sit right up my back side even though im sat on or slightly above the speed limit

Thanks

[QUOTE=Wells97;747584]I think this is the best answer on here :P
I think i may wait untill ive had my p's for abit then go get a WRX
It'll keep everyone happy that way.. The parents wont be worried as much and ill be happier with my driving.

But on that whole other driver thing I swear people see my l plates and sit right up my back side even though im sat on or slightly above the speed limit

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Well if you get a WRX you might want to get use to guys sitting on your ass. As you will get the idiots who will want to give you a run and sit on your ass to get you ticked off. But then that when the maturity part comes into play and you gotta keep a level head.