Brakes Pads QFM A1RM $110ish ->>Ferodo DS2500
 

[QUOTE]hey
could anyone please recomend decent feroda pads for round 80 to about the 150 dollar mark and bit of feed back on how u have gone with em.

cheers romeo[/QUOTE]
After everyone gave Romeo a bit of a bagging in the last post, I did a bit of a search around.

SPECIFICATIONS : QFM K750
Formulation - Cold Friction - High Friction - Temperature (C)

A1RM - 0.40 - 0.48 - 0-780

Now with Ferodos rated at a high coefficient of friction of 0.50 up to Temps of 500 degrees c, these look like a resonable buy.

Ferodo DS2500 $260-340

QFM K750 A1RM $110-150

By all reports the A1RM's are far superior to the Bendix Ultimates, Lucas and EBC Red's at around the same price range.

Sounds like good band for the buck. I believe they may also have A1RM pads for STI's Brembo's as well through GSL Rallysport.

Cheaper still are the QFM HPX pads at around $60, similar performance to Ultimates and Lucas, but with less dust.

Specs on QFM HPX or K500 as they are also known:

Cold friction Co-efficient 0.41
Hot friction Co-efficient 0.42
Temperature range 0-500 Deg C

[url]http://www.qfmperformance.com/[/url]

[url]http://mrtperformance.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=4446[/url]

*** I do not runs these pads personally ***
Nor have any affiliation with the company.

J

Call me a pessimist but if they sound to good to be true then they probably are...
The Romeos of this world can wish all they want for cheap pads that suit a performance car. The moment they hit the pedal and finds SFA is the result they better start praying....Romeo, oh Romeo, where art thy Romeo...gone to intensive care!
People get in a turbo charged car and after the second or third spirited corner forget they have crap pads. Predictably on the fourth corner they become another statistic.

Ha Ha

The old saying - ya get what you pay for !!!

I dont understand you guys. Ferodo ds2000 are a great pad for the street, skid pan and even occasional track work. I can personally say that i had them out at collie and they did the job very well, although im not going to use them again on the track, because of life the span of them when worked hard. (i got just over 600km out of a set)

i would be happy to use them on the street and even more for ahg. Im sure they cant be more than 150 a set retail.

I really think a DS2500 compound pad is a bit of a overkill for any street driving.

[QUOTE=WhiteRX]I dont understand you guys. Ferodo ds2000 are a great pad for the street, skid pan and even occasional track work. I can personally say that i had them out at collie and they did the job very well, although im not going to use them again on the track, because of life the span of them when worked hard. (i got just over 600km out of a set)

i would be happy to use them on the street and even more for ahg. Im sure they cant be more than 150 a set retail.

I really think a DS2500 compound pad is a bit of a overkill for any street driving.[/QUOTE]
So you wont ever use them again because they don't last, great testimonial. I am going to rush out and grab a set on that recommendation. Can anyone confirm what a set of DS2000 cost?

they dont last under severe track usage at collie, and i expected that. For ahg or even street driving they are fine.

If you want to go really fast, on the track then obviously you would choose a more competition orientated pad composition. eg, ds2500/3000

What i am really trying to say is a set of pads that cost me all of $110 (trade price) will most likely do this poor bloke just fine. Hell even if he decided to race it he wont run out of brakes from brake fade, or lack of stopping power. They might not last as long as a race compound on the track but will be fine on the street.

What more people should be doing is a complete flush of brake fluid every 1-2 years, not just thinking 500ml and a few pumps on each wheel is a complete flush.

:)

cheers whitrx for your help and wrxtasy go out hopfully tommoro and get some Ferodo DS2000 which should work out fine as i havnt taken my car to track yet. maddog dont know what pads u r runnings but good luck with em

Ferodo DS2500 ex NASIOC vendor $200.00 USD delivered to Perth if anyone interested.

Good Price. I'm interested.

Group Buy ???

Quote AP Racing circa 2002:
The DS2000 compound is primarily designed for high performance road use. However, its excellent speed and temperature sensitivity characteristics make DS2000 also suitable for...

DS2000 is used in the rear applications of front traction racing cars and in particular the Super Touring Championships all over Europe. In addition, it is a standard compound used in many Mono-brand Championships and Group N cars ( even on the front axle).

The graph below (not included as I cant be bothered) demonstrates that the DS2000 has a friction level of approximately 0.42, this remains constant at any speed and at any temperature that the brake system is working at. The temperature range showed on the graph is representative of actual running conditions.

A minimum of 250/300 miles product life can be expected under racing conditions, this can of course be significantly higher. For high performance road use pads can offer up to 40000miles of product life, dependent upon driving style and road conditions.
Unquote.
My summary of the above is yes the Ferodo DS2000 are a good all rounder, if their price has come down get me some sauce for my humble pie :o As a comparison Bendix Ultimates are Cold FC of 0.405 and hot 0.362 Temp to 500degC, I believe the Ferodos are good to 600degC
BTW I currently use a set of Endless Euro X for normal driving and some crap Bendix CT to help deglaze my DBA5000 rotors. I prefer Pagid Blue for track and street. Bendix Ultimates reside in the rear pending a rear brake upgrade.

true i have dba4000 rotors now with Ferodo DS2000 pads.

[QUOTE=WRXTASY]Good Price. I'm interested.

Group Buy ???[/QUOTE]

So that is a good price I take it. I have not yet had a chance to ring local suppliers.
The name of the mob on NASIOC is "201motorsports".
Check out there vendor site.
Whilst on prices is $617.00 USD ($649.00aud) good for a set of KYB AGX.

I've been running DBA 4000's up front coupled with the Ferodo DS2500 pads for a year now.

I haven't much else to compare them to but I will say that they stop you well! They're fine with day-to-day use and have minimal squeek with water in there at the start of winter days etc. When putting them to real use on some tracks and 'spirited driving', I haven't noticed any real fade from them. I recently had a complete brake flush and still no fade, so can't blame even blame anythinig on old brake fluids. nice pad is all i'll say.

I'd be up for a group buy if it's serious.

[QUOTE=romeo]true i have dba4000 rotors now with Ferodo DS2000 pads.[/QUOTE]
Reality check...
You probably have Ferodo Formula TS2000 that are supplied by Repco? The DS2000 was diluted to make affordable for the masses, had some changes, renamed and is now made in Thailand albeit with Italian friction material.
Cost is $162 retail via Repco.

[QUOTE=maddog]Reality check...
You probably have Ferodo Formula TS2000 that are supplied by Repco? The DS2000 was diluted to make affordable for the masses, had some changes, renamed and is now made in Thailand albeit with Italian friction material.
Cost is $162 retail via Repco.[/QUOTE]

Mate as far as i have heard from ferodo the ds2000 and ts2000 have the same friction materials. Same performance. Either way Im sure his brakes will stop him just fine.

Thanks

Tom

Hi guys,

Firstly, apologies for bringing up an old thread, and also for what is obviously about to be a massive plug, but it's amazing what you find when you Google yourself!

The reason QFM's pads are considerably cheaper is that QFM are the manufacturer for some pretty big name race brand pads in Australia. I'm not at liberty to say because it goes against commercial etiquette, suffice to say it doesn't take too much googling to find out who they supplies pads to, and how much those same pads go for in 'name brand' boxes. Buying direct out of them in their boxes make these pads significantly cheaper.

I've just recently updated the website that was posted earlier ([url]http://www.qfmperformance.com[/url]) with customer feedback on both the HPX and A1RM pads, and also links to where those customers said it, but so you know I'm not making it up.

The quick rundown, alot of which was mentioned in the first post...

- HPX, basically the same performance as something like a Bendix Ultimate, but minus the dust and rotor wear, with a bit more life as well. $79 per set front or rear (generally).

- A1RM, better performance than an EBC Red, Lucas or 2500 Ferodo. Will work from dead cold, less dust than a Lucas or Bendix, and doesn't chew rotors. We personally run the A1RM in our rally car, but 90% of people run them as a daily pad, that occasionally see's track work. $119 per set front or rear (again... generally).

For those that may be interested, we're currently doing a Christmas special with half price rears on the DB1170/DB1220 pads, which suit 4/2pot (non Brembo) 'Subaru' Sumitomo calipers. These are our biggest selling pads because they also suit Skylines, Silvia's, 300ZX etc. so thus why we can do them cheaper.

- Front and rear HPX $131 delivered.
- Front and rear A1RM $191 delivered.

Definitely have a read of the customer feedback on the site and make up your own minds, forgetting the price... I can charge you more if it makes you feel any better! :p

Any questions give us a bell on 1300 884 836.

Also mods, sorry if this is against forum rules, this is only a response to an inquiry, and not me coming out of the blue flogging them off. I had a look for any opportunities on the site to become a site or club sponsor, and couldn't find anything. If any opportunities are available we'd be more than happy to come on board, so just let me know.

Regards,
Greg

Hi Guys,

Dragging up an old thread here I know..

I did an AHG tuning arvo on the 24th April and I was in need of some decent pads but as ever money and time came in to the choices of what was available.

I know DS2500 are the usual route to take however I found the pricing of what was available in Perth rather hard to swallow and the interstate postage some people wanted to charge was scandalous so I began to search around for the alternatives and came across GSL Rallysport and the QFM pads....at the time they were even running a half price rears and free delivery offer.

So I placed an order for their A1RM track pads, they had sold out of WRX pads because of the special offer however I was assured that because of the trackday booking my order was priority and I would get my pads on time and at the special offer price. Emails and calls were returned very quickly which was a refreshing change.

As promised my pads were delivered to my place of work on time and I fitted them that night.

Out on the road they felt good from brand new. I gave them half a dozen 80-20kmh 'slows' and they immediately firmed up and they started biting hard. They did not need any more running in.

Under normal driving conditions they feel just like the stock Subaru pads, no squeeling, juddering, grinding and they work just like a stock pad from cold.

On the trackday they worked brillinatly. First corner they worked straight away...by the second and third corners I could really lean on them. We were running 2 laps at a time on the circuit and they did not fade at all or even begin to smell like they were getting hot.

On the skid pan where you are only jabbing the brakes and not building any heat in them they still worked exactly as you would expect.

Now obviously at AHG its only short stints of work but I have no reason to believe the pads would not cope with heavier use. I plan on giving them a go at Wanneroo soon.

Dont be put off by the price guys, these pads really do as they say on the box and make a fantastic every day, multi-use performance pad!!

Just for the record...I have no link to GSL Rallysport or QFM other than being a satisfied customer.

just out of curiousity are you running stock rotors ?

Yes the entire car is stock standard.

Thanks James, greatly appreciate your feedback and experience with the pads, and glad we could help!

I've thrown further details on the pads in the business section:
[url]http://www.perth-wrx.com/vb/showthread.php?t=26377[/url]

Regards,
Greg

cool just wanted to know how they compared, might opt for a set as im fed up of the shriek the ds2500;s are putting out, saying that however i am running slotted. So... hmmm

[QUOTE=gslrallysport]Thanks James, greatly appreciate your feedback and experience with the pads, and glad we could help!

I've thrown further details on the pads in the business section:
[url]http://www.perth-wrx.com/vb/showthread.php?t=26377[/url]

Regards,
Greg[/QUOTE]

No worries Greg. To many people only make a noise when they have a bad time with a product but never pipe up when they get a good product for a good price with good service.

[QUOTE=saturation]cool just wanted to know how they compared, might opt for a set as im fed up of the shriek the ds2500;s are putting out, saying that however i am running slotted. So... hmmm[/QUOTE]

Not sure if slotted discs make a big difference to shrieking pads or not.

I have also noticed a dramatic reduction in the amount of dust on my wheels....the stock Subaru pads were apalling for this and even they often made an absolute racket!

gslrallysport - Do you do them for Brembos ?

[QUOTE=confuzion]gslrallysport - Do you do them for Brembos ?[/QUOTE]

i'm rather curious too.....

[QUOTE=Makoto]i'm rather curious too.....[/QUOTE]
In the testimonials section it has one from an Evo driver for the A1RM, so they should have pads for Evo Brembo's.

That should mean they also do them for STI Brembo's as well.
[QUOTE=WRXTASY]I believe they may also have A1RM pads for STI's Brembo's as well through GSL Rallysport.[/QUOTE]

has anyone used QFM K500HPP.. same as HPX in cold and hot friction co-efficient with a slightly lower temp range of 0-500degrees celcius. i am presuming they would be similar spec to bendix advances?

on the subject of brakes, whats required in a full brake fluid flush? mechanically "vacuuming" out the fluid (ala auto tranny flush)

I had pruchase from GSL before and they are really professional. They offer great advice for your application. Back to the topic, I'm running RDA slotted F/R and QFM A1RM F/R. They are good bang for the bux with good performance. I use them for track (No Limit Event) and they held up very very well, manage to slice 2 sec of my personal best(maybe I was slow before). Big thumbs up

I believe that even if you have an odd fitment you can send them a set of old pads and they can apply new friction material to them...give them a call!!

[QUOTE=confuzion]gslrallysport - Do you do them for Brembos ?[/QUOTE]
Hi guys,

Sorry about the late reply, yesterday was a public holiday here in QLD.

Yep Brembo stuff isn't a problem, but is a bit more expensive. The fronts in HPX is $110, and the A1RM is $149. Got the fronts on the shelf, the rears are currently on back order but should be in stock pretty soon.

As for the rears, unfortunately both the HPX and A1RM are currently on a manufacturing back order (QFM just can't keep up with demand at the moment), but we can supply TRW Lucas, Acre or EBC in the interim. Pricing is the same as the fronts.

[quote]I believe that even if you have an odd fitment you can send them a set of old pads and they can apply new friction material to them...give them a call!![/quote]
Yep, that's also a big bonus so if you guys have any weird aftermarket brake kits that you can't get decent pads for, so long as we can grab a sample and get it laser cut, then we can send to QFM to get relined, or can send old pads if you've got them also, provided the backing plates haven't been damaged.

Regards,
Greg

[QUOTE=confuzion]gslrallysport - Do you do them for Brembos ?[/QUOTE]
Front Brembo now in stock! $110 per axle set in HPX, $149 per axle set in A1RM.

Got *limited* rear stock at the moment...