My car takes about 7mins gentle driving to reach 86c for coolant & another 5mins for the oil temp to start to come off the peg at 40c (or about 4km from my driveway).

I do have a thick ally radiator in mine, so a stock cooling systems might come up a bit quicker coolant temp-wise - oil would still be the same as above.

__________________
[CENTER][SIGPIC][/SIGPIC][/CENTER]
[CENTER][COLOR=#ff0000]Built Ej207: Semi-closed RA Cases - Wiseco Forgies - Manley rods - BC 272 cams - GDA Heads - billet f/whl - Vi-pec - WbO2 - 800cc Yellow tops - TD05-20G - 409Hp ath @ 1.75bar on E85[/COLOR][/CENTER]