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Old 04-04-2007, 12:24 AM
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See this is where i dont get it. I hear people say throwing FMIC and turbos on, 500HP fuel pumps injectors etc etc etc without tuning their car and its fine. Yet i ask others and they say that after even slight modifications, you should tune your car as it could be detrimental to your engine.
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A decent lambda meter and sensor is not an economical option...generally only why workshops or race teams own them.
Find a workshop that you are comfortable with and get it on a dyno. If you are restricted by budget leave it on the actuator /run in setting. Keep it on a "Run In "oil as well for the first 10000kms.

Do not trust any mechanic that seems to think they have a lambda sensor up their nose...they won't be sharing your 2nd rebuild expenses. It's the second rebuild in under a year that hurts the most. Who built this engine???
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Old 04-04-2007, 07:37 AM
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See this is where i dont get it. I hear people say throwing FMIC and turbos on, 500HP fuel pumps injectors etc etc etc without tuning their car and its fine. Yet i ask others and they say that after even slight modifications, you should tune your car as it could be detrimental to your engine.
This is what i've heard too .. Sure, it's true to some degree, but not entirely. I have done all my mods to my car, and not had a single tune yet.

After talking to lots of people, it made sense to do all my mods first, and then do a tune at the end, seems logical right?

Sure .. I know that right now, i don't have the maximum performance from my mods, but i've done enough research to ensure that the car is running safely, particularly the 65MM APS CAI, as going any wider throws out the AFM which causes it to run lean.
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To combat any differences in stories, i think with my first mining pay i will just get a STi TMIC, PowerFC, z32 AFM, EBC and a Tune. Then go for Fuel pump, injectors, turbo later on. Seems the logical way, 2 tunes but will be safer i spose!
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This is what i've heard too .. Sure, it's true to some degree, but not entirely. I have done all my mods to my car, and not had a single tune yet.

After talking to lots of people, it made sense to do all my mods first, and then do a tune at the end, seems logical right?

Sure .. I know that right now, i don't have the maximum performance from my mods, but i've done enough research to ensure that the car is running safely, particularly the 65MM APS CAI, as going any wider throws out the AFM which causes it to run lean.
Why spend all the time and $$ on mods and then not do a tune? Makes no sense at all to me. Perhaps you should look at tune and you will get the max out of what you have and peace of mind at the same time! my 2 cents
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A decent lambda meter and sensor is not an economical option...generally only why workshops or race teams own them.
Find a workshop that you are comfortable with and get it on a dyno. If you are restricted by budget leave it on the actuator /run in setting. Keep it on a "Run In "oil as well for the first 10000kms.

Do not trust any mechanic that seems to think they have a lambda sensor up their nose...they won't be sharing your 2nd rebuild expenses. It's the second rebuild in under a year that hurts the most. Who built this engine???
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Do not trust any mechanic that seems to think they have a lambda sensor up their nose...they won't be sharing your 2nd rebuild expenses. It's the second rebuild in under a year that hurts the most. Who built this engine???
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Explains why its on a run in boost of only 8psi, Sean knows what he is doing.

Facts: most engine rebuilds leave very little change out of $6500. You won't get a second hand long motor supplied for less than $2500 + installed for another $1100...
So a $100 run on a dyno to test if that new modification is safe to use at high boost is just common sense...and if you can't afford the extra $100 just disconnect the boost solenoid wiring and run off the default manual setting like Nails is. Retune later.
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See this is where i dont get it. I hear people say throwing FMIC and turbos on, 500HP fuel pumps injectors etc etc etc without tuning their car and its fine. Yet i ask others and they say that after even slight modifications, you should tune your car as it could be detrimental to your engine.
See there's the problem. Just because a car is driving around does not mean it is 'fine'. Have a look at the air-fuel ratio's of a car with just a CAI installed. Car runs 'fine' but was causing damage to the engine. This may never be seen by the owner/driver but could end up in a costly re-build.

The reason why a lot of more experienced guys say "do a tune" is they know this is what happens. Most people jump in, car starts fine, and only think they need a tune for more power.

As Morgan said above, it's cheap to get a quick power run with AFR's to see if your mod is causing problems.
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I was running 24 bar on my GC with just an exhaust and bleed valve, pissed white smoke but went really hard, then i just started having problems with it....

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24 bar!!!?? :P u mean almost 2 bar or 24 psi. Hehe yeah ECU first then ill build from there i have decided
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