blown gearbox...
 

Ever feel like you are chasing your tail?

Ok so i finally finished my new 207 build after engine failure, just ran her in and ready for a new tune....

Last night i went to the servo for some milk pulled away fairly cruisey hit second all of a sudden a really loud fast knocking sound in 2nd... now car on tickover with clutch out makes same sound not as loud hardly audiable pretty much comes to a stop when the clutch is in.

2nd makes loud knocking sound, 1st-3rd-4th-5th only quiet but defo there still..

The box i have is a V.3 sti 4.44 an dccd controller is it worth getting it rebuilt? if so who by? can anyone on here do it?

I only put the box in last yr an its not been used for 5mths... was second hand.

Gotta say im getting bored fast throwing money at this car, its the worst wrx i have owned...

Never seen a thread like this before. ASG can rebuild it. 6 Speed or Straights.

stick a 6 or straightcuts in there.

your box is gravey :)

Pull it out and strip it down to see whats broken

just do the good old turn the radio up trick, and dont use 2nd gear :P

buy mine. '99 5 speed. 3.54 rear diff. Cheap cheap.
Then I'll buy a 6 speed.

/end blue.spec'esque post

[QUOTE=mattmy99;404705]buy mine. '99 5 speed. 3.54 rear diff. Cheap cheap.
Then I'll buy a 6 speed.

/end blue.spec'esque post[/QUOTE]

is it genuine CF, Matt, or just copy??

my 4.44 box has lasted fine with my power level (over 300 hp atw), including spirited driving, AHG and drags.
depending whats broken will obviously determine the cost.
rebuilt the 5 speed in my old clubspec cost 1500ish for new second gear, mainshaft, labour, oil etc etc :cool:

Genuine copy of course looks real good you no you want to buy it. Dad bought it i mean i bought it then decided it wouldnt suit the look of my car and have decided to buy a genuine copy cf replica P1 box.

[QUOTE=mattmy99;404731]Genuine copy of course looks real good you no you want to buy it. Dad bought it i mean i bought it then decided it wouldnt suit the look of my car and have decided to buy a genuine copy cf replica P1 box.[/QUOTE]

lol!

hahahhahaa!!

[IMG]http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq267/mgoodliff/Funny/BURN.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=seagull;404702]Pull it out and strip it down to see whats broken[/QUOTE]

Got car transported to my mates workshop, will take out and strip over the weekend/early part next week...

Spoke to Nick earlier he's thinking 2nd gear, synchro and output shaft, but i will know more when me and me mechanic mate scott have it apart, gonna rebuild it with him, cant see it being that hard....

how much are standard parts compared to aftermarket stronger ones?

is cryo freezing standard parts an option, i saw a artical in one of my car magazines i will try and find it.

heres a forum where they have discussed it

[url]http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=13&TID=15729[/url]

[QUOTE=mr_psi;404701]your box is gravey :)[/QUOTE]


No SHIT :)

wouldnt bother cryo or heat treating it.

it would be cheaper to knock on the JWS door for a replacment 4.444 box and swap the centre diffs over.

[QUOTE=tuna;404799]wouldnt bother cryo or heat treating it.

it would be cheaper to knock on the JWS door for a replacment 4.444 box and swap the centre diffs over.[/QUOTE]

the last one only did me for 6k ish mate!! so id rather not buy another second hand box.... if i get it rebuilt i know its gonna be better than something that i dont know the history of hey?

rebuilding a secondhand box is still a second hand box though.

new bits or not, rarely a guarentee for it to last any longer.

normally things like clutch type or driver error cause the box to fail.

dont decel in 2nd!

Davey, sounds exactly like what happend to mine not long ago. If you are lucky it's 'just' the mainshaft with at least one 2nd gear tooth missing (on the mainshaft). Worse still is there are teeth missing from the gear itself and synchro is all f&#ked up.

[QUOTE=tuna;404813]rebuilding a secondhand box is still a second hand box though.

new bits or not, rarely a guarentee for it to last any longer.

normally things like clutch type or driver error cause the box to fail.

dont decel in 2nd![/QUOTE]

point taken mate, what i meant was i know it will have a new 2nd gear etc.. with a second hand box i dont know what it will be like. the last 4.444 box n diff cost me 2800...

does deceling in 2nd cause this?

[QUOTE=tuna;404813]dont decel in 2nd![/QUOTE]
Quoted for truth! That's when my KAAZ mainshaft chucked a spazz

Better off to just keep the boot into it, brake late and turn.

[QUOTE=phizzle;404815]Davey, sounds exactly like what happend to mine not long ago. If you are lucky it's 'just' the mainshaft with at least one 2nd gear tooth missing (on the mainshaft). Worse still is there are teeth missing from the gear itself and synchro is all f&#ked up.[/QUOTE]

it selects gears fine still not tight so fingers crossed, its funny how it went was just drivin like a pensioner on a sunday drive... sounded like a whole tooth fell off :D

round abouts, accel from corners, decel into corners and 20-60kph is mostly done in 2nd.
it gets a rough life.

downshifting into second and decelling hard over time will set the gear up to fail no doubt.

[QUOTE=daveygravey]it selects gears fine still not tight so fingers crossed, its funny how it went was just drivin like a pensioner on a sunday drive... sounded like a whole tooth fell off :D [/QUOTE]
Yea same as me!! Driving like a nanna, shifted from 3 to 2 as I was slowing to make my driveway and clunk clunk clunk FUCK!!!! clunk clunk. Sounds like you might have just taken a tooth, maybe not. You'll have to get the box open to be sure either way.

[QUOTE=tuna;404821]round abouts, accel from corners, decel into corners and 20-60kph is mostly done in 2nd.
it gets a rough life.

downshifting into second and decelling hard over time will set the gear up to fail no doubt.[/QUOTE]
As Doug was explaining to me: he believes the teeth sort of becomes worn/bedded that one way under heavy accelerating loads, and when the loads go the other way under deceleration it is not as strong and maybe has (basically invisable) stress fractures or somesuch that don't cause an issue when accelerating yet cause a failure.

It was a slow gear change from 1st to 2nd, so it prob did get a second of decel, amazing huh... shitty old subaru boxes hahaha... this is my 4th gearbox failure in 5 wrx's.. but 2 on this current car.

how much are a set of straight cuts?

Just spoke to a mate who used to work on a drag team, they used to freeze a few parts at a company in o'conner, he says it will defo make a standard part stronger, and said they are not too expensive either.

I think i will explore this option more.

Cryo treatment can't hurt!

thats exactly what im thinking mate

[QUOTE=mattmy99;404731]Genuine copy of course looks real good you no you want to buy it. Dad bought it i mean i bought it then decided it wouldnt suit the look of my car and have decided to buy a genuine copy cf replica P1 box.[/QUOTE]

post of the week

broke my 4.11 in exactly the same way u did davey.. was just a 1st - 2nd change of gear and it bounced out of 2nd and got caught in between 2nd and 1st and then "CLUNKED".

Other gears were fine but 2nd was clunky.. dougie drained it only to find a tooth in the pan and on further stripping of the box, 2nd gear and the mainshaft needed replacement.

Guess this was what happens to shit glass-boxes..

Got a 4.44 after that and later went on to a 6 speed. Trust me, u'll love it. And it's not that dear as compared to before. Couple of guys over @ rexnet are selling the whole conversion itself.

Keep driving until it doesnt drive anymore!

I remember chipping a few teeth off my 1st gear on my stock box then lasted another year of thrashing ontop of that and worked fine lol :D

Jason at All things subaru in QLd has the following
The V4 box would have special heat treated gears , look him up and give him a call
freight would be about $150.00

V4 STI RA (DCCD) - $1600
V6 STI - $1850

[QUOTE=seagull;404881]Jason at All things subaru in QLd has the following
The V4 box would have special heat treated gears , look him up and give him a call
freight would be about $150.00

V4 STI RA (DCCD) - $1600
V6 STI - $1850[/QUOTE]

thats all good but then i have a v3 box with dccd thats farked.. id rather fix what i have i think mate, i will give him a buzz anyhow it cant do any harm

Do it right the first time. None of this heat/freeze treated stuff.

6 speed. Dont look back.

[QUOTE=Mister Two;404906]Do it right the first time. None of this heat/freeze treated stuff.

6 speed. Dont look back.[/QUOTE]

wish i had done that in the first place, but 6 speeds were a lot more expensive then...

I think the real thing thats holding me back is the fact that i spent 2800 on this V3 box an only did 5-6k if i buy a 6 speed its more cash down the pan...

after spendin nearly 10k in repairs in the last 8mths and now i gotta buy a new or fix my box AGAIN... i feel like im going round in circles...

Heh, only 10k?

[QUOTE=jEstEr?;405027]Heh, only 10k?[/QUOTE]

10k is a piss off if its mainly repairs... theres other go faster shit iv paid for so its cost more in total but 10k repairs fuks me off... im startin to thinks this cars a lemon

Give it some 6spd loving.

I had to drop my gearbox twice in 1 month...lucky i have a workshop...but it was still a fuck around. Btw, I still have my 5speed in there! 1 of the selector pin disintegrated. Till this day i still dont know how it happened.

[QUOTE=daveygravey;405024]wish i had done that in the first place, but 6 speeds were a lot more expensive then...

I think the real thing thats holding me back is the fact that i spent 2800 on this V3 box an only did 5-6k if i buy a 6 speed its more cash down the pan...

after spendin nearly 10k in repairs in the last 8mths and now i gotta buy a new or fix my box AGAIN... i feel like im going round in circles...[/QUOTE]

hahaha try 3000 after 300km :)

hahaha mate that truly suks big fat donkey penis!!