[QUOTE=BLUES]I wouldn't be using a harness without a cage.[/QUOTE]
LOL Very informative Fred :D Why?

With a belt, if the roof gets squashed, you get pushed out of the way.
With a harness, if the roof gets squashed, so does your head.

[QUOTE=Kato]^^^ Correcto.

If I was putting them in the rear shelf, id have doubler plates put on for some added strength.

If the belts are going to rip out (something I have to take into consideration, since I weigh a bit more than the average bear) there would be no point putting a harness in.

Safety first, everything else second.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Dangerous to use the parcel shelf as it isn't designed to take the load.

even the face of the parcel shelf IMHO isnt strong enough without some extra reinforcing. There is always a chance that the whole sheet of metal could tear at the spot welds. My harness mounts go through the same way as Nauil's but go right through to a bar in the boot area. I feel very safe with it set up that way.

Same deal to, my back seat has to come out to use them too. I have a momo 3" 4 point harness.

Personally i dont drive on the street with a harness on, just the stock seat belts. But only because it is illegal. I dont really mind wearing one, and dont really have a problem seeing around the car with it on. The only problem is the time it takes to put on and get really tight. Takes a few mins, especially with a helmet on.

[QUOTE=Hurtenstein]With a belt, if the roof gets squashed, you get pushed out of the way.
With a harness, if the roof gets squashed, so does your head.[/QUOTE]

My only reasoning is that the stock seats dont hold me in too well. I just dont want to be thrown around the cabin as that happens to me even on the road.


Cheers

[QUOTE=Hurtenstein]With a belt, if the roof gets squashed, you get pushed out of the way.
With a harness, if the roof gets squashed, so does your head.[/QUOTE]

Personally if the roof is getting squashed enough to 'push you out of the way' you are stuffed anyway.

If you are doing any activities where that is the consequence, you'd be stupid not to consider other safety devices.

Ive seen some pretty retarded stuff in my 21 years on this planet Kato.....:D

[QUOTE=BLUES]I wouldn't be using a harness without a cage.[/QUOTE]

totally agree.

I couldn't be using a harness with airbags

[QUOTE=jEstEr?]I couldn't be using a harness with airbags[/QUOTE]

Does that impose serious danger as you cannot move when the airbag goes off or something like that?? Im pretty sure it was explained in a previous thread about harnesses.