Precisely!

I know Ecutek can add flat foot shifting and launch control to the MY11 / MY12's - curious if ASG offer something similar?

Launch control = foot to floor

Good luck having the gearbox keep up with any flat shifting you might do, ecu feature or not.

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Same same.

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I was under the impression Verso was basically unlicensed ecutek, thats what Steve told me anyway.. He could have just worded it like that for my simpleton brain to comprehend.

As for 500$ ecutek i would have thought the software license would cost about that much, where do they make their money if they dont charge for Dynotime..?

Well my limited understanding of the Ecutek is that they flash a generic map to your computer then make sure its all running hunky dory with a road run.

Then if you want to go the trouble (and expense), you can have them tweak the generic map with some dyo time.

Just curious if asg charge around $990 for there first tune,
How much does it cost for the second one?

Verso is open source ECU tuning.. as is ECUTek.

ECUTek decided that because they were the first to market an ECU flash for Subaru, they'd tell everyone that everything else is a copy of theirs or an "unlicensed" version of theirs.

The fact is, anyone can tune an ECU using freely available open source software and a cheap cable, readily available over the internet.

When you pay ASG for a Verso tune, or any other workshop for an ECUTek tune, you're paying for the expertise of the tuner, as well as the hundreds of hours that they spent getting everything right prior to putting it out on the market.. its cheap insurance really, the chances of something going wrong when you tune your own ECU is extremely high. $1k'ish to tune an ECU with an experienced tuner is cheap insurance IMHO, the chances of an engine blowing up in the hands of an expert is very low when that person knows what they're doing.

As for which is better, it is well known that some flash tunes are better than others, but if you did a search, you'd be able to find that out pretty quickly from just reading some experiences of others on this forum.

I can't vouch for Verso itself as I've never had one in any of my cars, but Sean from ASG has done all my MoTeC tuning since he started tuning several years ago. From my experience in this, I can safely say that I wouldn't trust any other person to tune my Subaru.. so take that as you will.

I'm fairly sure dyno time is charged at $250/hour. Call ASG to confirm though.

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I'd go ASG as said, had a friend went Garage 101 and the tune stuffed his whole engine, dnt know the full story but yeh, lets just say he's never gone back. Only person I know happy with them has a xr6 but he's been warned too

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