Damn, we should have all chipped in, bought that near completed time machine off E-Bay, fixed it and gone back to find out just what happened for ourselves

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Who or what created your God ???? Because as you say, you can't create something from nothing.

The atheist Bertrand Russell wrote in his book "Why I am Not a Christian" that if it is true that all things need a cause then God must also need a cause. He concluded from this that if God needed a cause then God was not God (and if God is not God then of course there is no God). Even a little kid knows that things do not come from nothing, so if God is a "something" then he must have a cause as well, right?

The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, "What does blue smell like?"
Blue is not in the category of things that have odor, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created, or come into existence, or are caused. God is uncaused and uncreated - He simply exists.

How do we know this? Well, we know that from nothing, nothing comes. So if there was ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence then nothing would have ever come to exist. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been existing. That ever-existing thing is what we call God!

hehe get it?

anyway, this is fully turning into scripture lessons and im the least to say, since im new this whole thing. I think i'l stop here ai
good day

Picking out the important parts:

Cute, almost. So we haven't quite figured it out yet, therefore "God" must have created everything? We know there was a huge 'explosion' of sorts at the point of our galaxys creation. Read up on some of Steven Hawkings work, he makes it simple enough for everyone to grasp the concept and provides some really interesting reading. If you're as lazy as I am you can even get it as a book on tape or even mp3 these days.

Creation was a long process, we're still working out the gaps. We've got a fairly good grasp on the start and the last few hundred years, we're working hard to write the rest of the story now. It's useless to say that some supernatural being did it, that's just a friggin' cop out. Again, plenty of proof showing the start of our universe, zero proof showing God made it in a week.

Apart from God you mean?

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Science is full of theorys. The theory of gravity is still called a theory, would you like to argue against that next? Evolution isn't a process that makes giant changes in small time periods, it's a long, slow process. We're taller than we were a few hundred years ago, brains are getting larger (if somewhat remaining unused), our physique is altered from the times we needed to fend off animals and attract mates by beating rocks together.

I call bullshit. These photos and this particular evidence were never presented to me in biology, nor to my wife (who did some fairly advance biology), nor any of the other similar thinkers I've discussed this idea with today. I think you would have to look pretty damn hard to find this idea still being taught anywhere, as much as you'd like to have that 'easy point' for your argument.

There are a lot of scientists that make false claims and fudge research. You know what happens to them? They get caught, they lose credability and they get their asses kicked, then their studies get put on the same shelf as MAD magazines and back issues of Playboy. Once science is proven to be wrong, the idea gets shelved. That's the beauty of it, no matter how you may like to argue otherwise sir.

You're clearly confused. Fossilisation and evolution are two very, very different things. Why would they just be bone? There's a lot of factors involved in the preservation of a body, it's not exactly a cut and dry process.

In which case, they would definitely only be bone. Moisture and the various water dwelling critters have this wonderful habit of destroying meat, the bones would also become quite scattered leaving complete skeletal finds to be something that just wouldn't happen, forget about just being rare, they'd be impossible to locate.

We know something big and fairly gnarly happened. There's a few schools of thought on what exactly it was, but I'd put a lot of money down against it being a flood sent down to earth by a vengeful god, who gave one man the heads up in order to build a giant boat and put two of every animal on it. Let's not even discuss the inbreeding and genetic abnormality issues that would come with that one, eh?

Yeah, it gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside, like having an enema while drinking a really cold beer.

Thankyou sir.

..which of course, it is. I think it's wrong to eat my neighbour, but if we both crashed in the Ande's and only I survived, I probably wouldn't mind getting into some Charlie-steaks...

Because I want to be a better person, for me. I don't understand what's so hard to grasp about that concept. Us godless heathens have no ambition because we don't know the love of God? I've got another leg you can pull any time you like son...

Because one denys someone of an item they have earned, the other is a senseless act of violence.

And that's exactly how it is. I know people who just defy all logic with their descision making process, but the chemical makeup of their brain effectively makes them nutbars. I'd love to 'fix' them, but if it wasn't for these random imbalances between people, how interesting would life be?

"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
John 14:6

Says to me, the only way into the groovy afterlife is to believe in Jesus, otherwise you're screwed. Smells like blind faith to me. There's plenty others like that scattered throughout that delightful pictureless colouring book.

BTW, powerfully devoted Atheist, anti-nutbar.

-Cameron Jones

You guys all need to have a serious sit down session with a soda bottle and a couple boxes of nangs.

.. or just have a few buckets, if it's not against your religion *snigger*

Circular logic - the ol' religious fallback!

Cameron you seem to be selectively interpreting what I’m saying. I never said you shouldn’t have kids.. or anything remotely like that. Some points tho I'd like to make.


Yet you’re the only one on here preaching & throwing insults.

You asked me what is morality... but that’s my question to you. I will teach my children Christian morality, what morality will you teach yours? How have you derived that the above example is good or bad? What beliefs or guidelines do you structure this on?

btw it's they're not their

Where do you think our societies current beliefs, values & morality stem from.. Religion. How is it that much of a stretch to think that if people don’t have these groundings that one day we all won’t question why. Definition of a nihilist: a willingness to repudiate all previous theories of morality or religious belief.

Everything’s all very neat in your world isn’t it? Everything has a very tidy very logical explanation. You accuse those with faith as being simple… I’m sorry but to say we are who we are because of a bunch of chemicals seems just as fanciful. I’m not saying believe in Jesus, Buddha, confucius... but believe in something, because it just doesn’t make sense that this is all chance.

I can understand other religions, I respect people that say they just don’t know. But to say prove it, or to categorically refute that any religious belief could be right seems ignorant & close minded to me.

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I can't hang around, so I'll just answer this little bit:

Electrical and chemical reactions in the brain are real, measurable things. We can monitor events in the brain and through electrical monitoring and stimulation we're now able to see what areas of the brain control which deduction ability, or elements of creativity. God, cannot be measured. It is not a real entity.

The bible might have been a handy guide to teach people how to live in simple times, but has little relevence these days. If back in the day you didn't want people to bang their neighbours, it was easy enough just to say "Hey, God said you shouldn't sleep with your neighbour", and if the directive came from God, that was fair enough.

C'mon people, these days surely we're advanced enough (dare I say, evolved..) that we can guide our own damn destiny? I have pity for those that just aren't able to walk on their own two feet, honestly.

why bother arguing with tode evilcabbage?

afterall he was arguing to me last night that God's will with black ppl is because they were sinners. and different levels of skin pigmentation equated to different levels of sin within previous generations in their life. PM me for full logs as the admin decided that me posting the logs up were somehow offensive to this discussion.