370z is $70-80k depending on spec tho..

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Can anyone tell me who the target market is for this car?
Certainly not me or anyone I know.

lol....it's a great looking sports car that you can buy for 30k, and it's selling like hotcakes...of course there is a target audience.

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$35k for the poverty pack toyota.
$40k for the GTS.

Thats soooo close to WRX territory.

Compare the base GT Toyota with the base WRX.

~ 35 driveaway compared to ~45 driveaway.

Thats 10k, or roughly 25% of the cost of the car. I don't think they are priced in the same bracket at all.

With that being said, i drove one not long ago and damn was it slow lol

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Last time I was in the market for a new car subaru OP quoted me a very good price on a 2011 WRX premium. less than 10k over the price of a FT86 GTS.
Well worth the extra coin in my opinion. But just my opinion.
Definitely my idea of "in the ball park".

With the BRZ and FT86 being straight of the boat it might be a good time to haggle a deal for a 2012 WRX????

Everyone is right though.
Why should any company try make more money by making something that would appeal to the greater 80% of people in the market who buy a car and NOT modify it.

I mean surely, car enthusiasts are the only people who buy cars right?

Clearly the fact that toyota and subaru have more or less sold their yearly allowcation before release means they did something wrong and should be told so by a minority of car enthusists who would/will critisize it no matter what.

Seriously guys. Have a think about it.

This is a sporty 2 door car that costs fuck all in comparision to its direct siblings. Yes it doesnt have 300rwkws but neither does an mx5.

Has anyone taken the car flat stick on any of the hills roads on their "round the block" test drive ?
Doubtful.

This car was designed to be fun.... Not a 2 door wrx.

If you want a wrx, stump up another 3k.
If you want a cool 2door that has some functionality in the real world, this i think is another option to look at.

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Far as looks goes... reminds me of one of those old hyundai coupes that were supposed to sell like hotcakes and failed. Not my cup of tea, but each to their own.

I was in the 86 as the owner of rockingham Toyota ways was driving and he certinatly didn't hold back he had it flying it wasn't the quickest car but would be a lot of fun, I certinatly would have got one if wasn't for having a family and a new house. Each to there own

- Young people who cant insure a turbo car, but can afford something new.
- Middle ages people who are going through a crisis, want a new car but cant afford a fezza/lambo.
- Those who want an affordable, RWD car that doesn't understeer, but can oversteer (read:non FWD)
- Those who like the seating position of a sports car without the price.
- Those who have already owned plenty of wrx's/skylines/**insert internet forum approved import car** and now just want something that is fun to drive on noise, doesn't get you pinged by a camera 30sec down the road and is easy to drive.
- Those who just want something different to drive than what's on the market now.


Its not hard to see why there is a market for them, even though every performance forum shuns these cars cause they don't have 300KW of power, Bentley spec interior and drive like a fezza!!

They hype is purely because no manufacturer has gone out and produced a compact, affordable, RWD in the past what, 12+years??
Give this car another 100kw with turbo, plush interior and you would be looking at another $10k+ ontop of the price. Which puts it into a category that compares it to alot more range of vehicle for price (wrx, ralliart lancer, mx5, etc etc)...which isn't where this car needs to sit.

Will I miss having the midrange poke of the wrx and the feel of boost...yep damn right! But if I wanted that, i'd have kept my wrx.
Will they get riced up? Yep no doubt, just like every other make of car out there. (Just look at some of the cars on this forum)

tl;dr...
- Its a cheap NEW rwd platform car.
- PLENTY of aftermarket support for those who want to mod
- Its simple to maintain (read:non high maintenance)
- They have some kind of exclusivity due to the lack of availability = wont see one every 5mins on the road.

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