That would be called intellectual property so most probably the tuner would charge the same amount (or very similar). That's how people earn money. Besides that, it might not be fair on some people.

Adi

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Dyno pulls on a hub in a 5 speed - 4th, 6 speed -5th (closest gear to 1:1 ratio)
Roller dynos are often done a gear lower due to the wheel speed associated and the safety factor, with some corrections in place for the magical dyno numer. I assume road tunes are done for the same reason (top of 4th would certainly exceed the state mandated 110km/hr speed limit)

If you've never seen a tuner hold a steady RPM, you should see the videos of Cosworth tuning their F1 engines, 12,000 rpm on the dyno for 10 minutes at a time.

Anyway, it might seem like we're (well, me at least) ripping into you about every little thing. OpenECU email tunes are still a rarity in Perth, and most shops that offers tuning so far uses the traditional "time on the dyno" method (excluding Ecutek 1&2), which in my opinion is the safest method. The fact of the matter is: without a good tuner in the car that can diagnose things (like small amounts of knock through amplifiers) , I worry that people are going to be thrashing around in "work in progress" tunes by some fly by night email tuner that disappears next month when half a dozen engines pop. Thats not something I wish to see happen.

Can you perhaps post up a few more links to the tuners work, results etc to gain a bit more faith. Pricing is also a big factor, as you can budget for a set price, drive into a workshop here in Perth and pay that set price for a flash tune. If I get an email tune and am expecting to pay $430 and get an invoice for $1257 because it took longer than a usual tune, I would spit chips

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You make some very good points.

I would not like to see that happen either. The approach we take is to look at the current tune in the car, and then make some gentle changes, playing very safe, and see how the car responds from the logs. Nasty occurrences like detonation are often visible in the logs even without looking at the FBKC and FLKC parameters, which are part of a standard log file. With repeated iterations of the tune we gradually creep up to the "tuned" condition rather than just take a guess as to where we might end up, and potentially be wrong about it.

We provide a fixed price before you place an order. That's it. It's the same as when you order coilovers or a brake kit or a turbo rebuild from us.

I am seeking testimonials from existing customers and will post those as I can. Here is one to start.

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Bianca Grant says:
You can see Bianca's original post on the KiDo Racing Facebook page
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Bianca has also made the following offer: "I live in Brisbane and will happily take anyone interested in a tune for a drive both in stock form and then show off the tune too."

You can reach Bianca through her post on the KiDo Racing Facebook page.

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Sounds like good feedback.

The only problem that i can see is the "perception" of a "good tune".

What feels great on the "bum dyno" can ultimately be misinterpreted, having moved to Victoria for a short period of time and meeting a few other WRX owners who swore by their chosen tuner as having "the shit". I pulled out a few ROM's and compared the values to stock images, found that infact adding 1.5 degrees in midrange and leaning out fuel by 0.5 was considered a "good tune" by this one tuner. (we all know that's pretty superficial in the grand scheme of the tune)

Imagine the surprise when i donated a properly tuned image....

Anyways, keep up the good work and good luck!

Thanks for the good luck wishes.

The KiDo tunes can, and often do change up to 120 tables in the ECU, and not only change the tables, but we are the ONLY people who change the table scaling to provide better control at the important points in the table range.

I can post examples tomorrow if anyone is interested.

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I'd be interested to see the examples.

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I'm not having a dig, but surely you can't be the only people who change scaling when they tune for more resolution in key areas?
Isn't that pretty standard procedure?

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OK, I should perhaps of phrased it differently, I have seen tunes from quite a number of tuners and we are the only one I know of, or have heard of who changes the scaling.

Anyway, here are some examples. The table at the rear is my current tune, the table at the front is the OEM tune. You can see the table scales have been changed.

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