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Old 04-05-2010, 11:53 AM
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Paper indicates that it is only $100 million a year anyway.
Corrected already.
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SAME SAME ???

Doesn't he look like he absolutely has NFI, just like George W. Bush.
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Old 04-05-2010, 12:17 PM
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It is starting already, I was pulled over 3 times on the weekend and went through a handful of multinova's just in Freo!
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Old 04-05-2010, 12:29 PM
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They always talk about safety etc... but does anyone know the REAL
stats ? Not crap like x number of accidents per year. What I want to know
is how many deaths have occurred on our roads per 100 km traveled.
They like to say the road toll had gone up etc, but there are more cars on
the road than ever. So surely deaths per 100 km has gone down ?

Its unfortunate that the govt likes to pull the wool over our eyes by
misrepresenting stats etc....
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Old 04-05-2010, 12:50 PM
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Statistics only tell you what you want them to show.

99% of people know that.
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Statistics only tell you what you want them to show.

99% of people know that.
Apparently 61% of stats are made up 35% of the time
and only 84% of the general population believes it.
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They've done studies you know, 60% of the time it works everytime
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Back in 1995 the premier Bob Carr, and his roads minister, Carl Scully, proudly launched their ambitious program called "Road Safety 2000" stating that New South Wales would have the safest roads in the world with less than 500 deaths and 5500 injuries on the roads each year.
When the millennium came around, the NSW annual road toll was in excess of 600 fatalities.

Scully quietly dumped the Road Safety 2000 program faster than a extraterrestrial explanation given by Moulder and launched "Road Safety 2010" campaign instead, boasting a saving of 820 lives by the year 2005 and 2000 lives by the year 2010.

Yet by the end of 2005 the road fatalities in NSW had not dropped below 500.

Now, not only has the NSW Government moved the goal posts but they have changed their shape too!

The NSW Government have benched the globally agreed "deaths per hundred thousand of population" measurement and instead have committed to reducing "vehicle crash deaths per 100 million vehicle kilometers travelled".
This clever little change has given the government some extra variables that will artificially change the results they are promoting. For example with petrol prices rising, people will travel less or use more public transport, so there will be a fall in the number of road deaths, even though there has been no change in road safety trends.

In 2003, the year of the most recent data available from the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, the NSW rate of motor vehicle crash fatalities per 100 million kilometres travelled by vehicles was 0.89, which is the second highest of all Australian states and higher than the overall Australian average rate of 0.81

There are other suspect practices by the government, in NSW for example, the RTA and police have a nice little arrangement called the "enhanced enforcement program" or EEP. Last year the RTA gave the NSW police approximately $8 million dollars to pay for their overtime whilst the police conducted road safety enforcement operations - in other words speed enforcement, random breath testing and other traffic duties

Now whilst it's agreed the police should be paid for their overtime, heck they deserve a pay rise I say, but such suspect payments compromise the independence of the police and how and where they carry out their duties.

These payments in effect, enable the Minister for Roads to dictate how, when and where the police operate these traffic duties. The effectiveness of these methods has not been independently investigated.

Of course the police won't criticize the Road Traffic Authority because actually getting paid for your overtime is appealing, particularly when their pays are in desperate need of review.

The payment for overtime should come from the Treasury, not the RTA and the high road fatalities can in theory, be partly blamed on the NSW Police association due to its opposition to modern work practices and technologies that would reduce road trauma significantly and improve the safety of its members.
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2009 WA Fatalities Stats tell me something.

74 fatalities occurred in the Perth Metro Area vs 119 fatalities in Regional WA

If the government really wanted to make a difference they could start by looking at country drivers and dare I say it..the indigenous ones in particular ? Spend some of this windfall on country roads, driver education, cracks downs on dangerous vehicles that truly deserve yellow stickers driving around in the bush.


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Old 04-05-2010, 03:15 PM
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Dave, another thing that stat points out, is when the city slickers head out into the country, they don't know how to drive country roads... You see alot of deaths on public holiday weekends etc, that are families driving to or from their destination, don't know how to over take, don't know how to drive in the dark etc etc..

So its unfair to blame the country drivers entirely..

Most country drivers spend more time behind the wheel of a car in their life time than anybody else. I learnt to operate a vehicle when I was 8 years old, and I'd say most country kids from my generation and the generations before me would be the same. Because of this, I coasted thru my driving tests and what not, because nerves and inexperience weren't a factor.

The problem I think stems down to driver education, and/or safety. Traction Control, Airbag's, and all these computer gadgets in cars these days take the blame away from the driver, and more to the car. Its similar in the mining industry. Look at BHP. They are bubble wrapping their employees or any one who works for them, and taking the 'common sense' out of being safe. The same is happening in cars. All these cars are given 5 star AMCAP ratings or whatever, something that wasn't given to any Australian Built car before 2006, now every second car has a 5 star rating. People hop in and expect it to be driven for them, the common sense gets taken out of the equation, and bam, you have road fatalities.

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