I have noted with a degree of amusement comments about ECU re-flashes on this forum...particularly with respect to Verso and the observation by some how this site is becoming Verso-centric.

I remember some years ago when ECUTek was released, every time it was mentioned on this forum it was bagged by a majority of people, including some who now talk up Verso....interesting. What does it all mean...vested interests?...fashion?...mates club? Whilst there is no question that Verso is cheaper than ECUTek, most previous criticism of re-flashes was that they didn't offer the tuning ability of some replacement ECU's and that you are only paying for software not something physical. I think that history has now shown that re-flashed cars (and I'm talking ECUTek since it is the one with history) have been reliable and have performed well in motorsport (Jamie Lister, Danny Cerro).

It also amuses me that (particularly in the past) whenever I dared mention Maximum Motorsport, certain people on this forum were very quick to accuse me on unashamed marketing...funny how nobody does the same with people mentioning All Star Garage over and over again....vested interests?...fashion?...mates club?

It is important in a forum like this that sensible advice can be given, free speech not be gagged and that vested interests are carefully monitored by moderators.

Just food for thought...

Haven't we been over this 10 times already?

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oh noes! now youve reset my ECU.



in all seriousness, it looks to me like the market is changing, if more people would offer their experiences with MMS/RT with ecutek tuning, then i'm sure ecutek could become flavour of the month again.

till then, i'll stick with my motec pryde

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So the point of your thread is you have ECUtek and like MMS and wonder why other people are batting a product with more features for half the money and a very good workshop?

Btw, quit with the ECUtek has history and has motorsport history. No shit! If a product had been around as long as ECUtek without that history, you would be seriously worried. The Verso product is still quite new and thus hasn't had time to prove itself on the track. I do know a lot of people who have Verso and have done extremely well in recorded competitions so far. Expect some results from me in the Autotest this year also. I expect to come last, but I'll be there to have some fun

Disclaimer: I have Verso, it was done by ASG/Verso, I use RMS. I know the Verso boys quite well too. I also think MMS and RT are good workshops from the results posted on this forum. I also think ECUtek is a good product, but do not like spending $2k on it when something like Autronic is not much more.

Edit: Forgot to mention good results from Tenagah too.

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I rest my case....

Probably because back in the day, several cars got toasted after copping ecutek reflashes, and before you say thats a load of rubbish, i saw a number of these cars, first hand with my very eyes, so its not rubbish..

also probably because ecutek was, and still is a rip off of a product for what you get, compared to being able to buy a replacement ecu for the same or less money, eg a power fc..

and the main one, probably because ecutek stage 1 and 2, is only a reflash, nothing else, they don't sit down and tune the ecu for you, unless you fork out even MORE money for a tek3, and i have big issues with people just slapping a reflash on as not every car is identical, they are all different, and different mods, cause different characteristics, thus rendering a straight out reflash without a tune pointless..

it smacks of the power chip days when martin donnon raped dumb people for eeproms that did more harm than good

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Not arguing with that Denver...but we both know that it's a function of the degree of tune and not the product per se

Also no question that there are products at all price tiers (we all have choices and that's great)... but that was not the point of the thread, just as it was not the point to talk up ECUTek or MMS...(though another reply fell straight into that old trap). It was just a comment about perceptions on a forum...

How easy it is to raise people's ire!

forgive my ignorance, and yes i have done a quick search and am not much the wiser, but is verso a company/brand/type of tune? P.S I was looking at getting TEK3 @ RT but if I can get similar for less $................

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This is where i disagree, as that, if ecutek just did full tunes, instead of tek 1 and 2 being a pre programmed map and then tek 3 being a propper tune, there would not have been that many failures, because the tunes would have been car specific, not a random generated "we think this will work" tune, which is just utterly retarded, see previous comment about martin donnon and dumb people..

seeing a pattern here yet?..

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how is ecutek different to verso.. there both programs that hack into the OEM computer, thus utilizing what points the standard ecu has to offer.

I dont understand how u can say one is better than the other in terms of functionality. Or that its been proven in motorsport. Of course the OEM ecu works fine under any condition, thats why it was put into cars in the first place.

It all comes down to the tuner, to extract the most out of the ecu.