I have noted with a degree of amusement comments about ECU re-flashes on this forum...particularly with respect to Verso and the observation by some how this site is becoming Verso-centric.

I remember some years ago when ECUTek was released, every time it was mentioned on this forum it was bagged by a majority of people, including some who now talk up Verso....interesting. What does it all mean...vested interests?...fashion?...mates club? Whilst there is no question that Verso is cheaper than ECUTek, most previous criticism of re-flashes was that they didn't offer the tuning ability of some replacement ECU's and that you are only paying for software not something physical. I think that history has now shown that re-flashed cars (and I'm talking ECUTek since it is the one with history) have been reliable and have performed well in motorsport (Jamie Lister, Danny Cerro).

It also amuses me that (particularly in the past) whenever I dared mention Maximum Motorsport, certain people on this forum were very quick to accuse me on unashamed marketing...funny how nobody does the same with people mentioning All Star Garage over and over again....vested interests?...fashion?...mates club?

It is important in a forum like this that sensible advice can be given, free speech not be gagged and that vested interests are carefully monitored by moderators.

Just food for thought...

Haven't we been over this 10 times already?

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So the point of your thread is you have ECUtek and like MMS and wonder why other people are batting a product with more features for half the money and a very good workshop?

Btw, quit with the ECUtek has history and has motorsport history. No shit! If a product had been around as long as ECUtek without that history, you would be seriously worried. The Verso product is still quite new and thus hasn't had time to prove itself on the track. I do know a lot of people who have Verso and have done extremely well in recorded competitions so far. Expect some results from me in the Autotest this year also. I expect to come last, but I'll be there to have some fun

Disclaimer: I have Verso, it was done by ASG/Verso, I use RMS. I know the Verso boys quite well too. I also think MMS and RT are good workshops from the results posted on this forum. I also think ECUtek is a good product, but do not like spending $2k on it when something like Autronic is not much more.

Edit: Forgot to mention good results from Tenagah too.

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Probably because back in the day, several cars got toasted after copping ecutek reflashes, and before you say thats a load of rubbish, i saw a number of these cars, first hand with my very eyes, so its not rubbish..

also probably because ecutek was, and still is a rip off of a product for what you get, compared to being able to buy a replacement ecu for the same or less money, eg a power fc..

and the main one, probably because ecutek stage 1 and 2, is only a reflash, nothing else, they don't sit down and tune the ecu for you, unless you fork out even MORE money for a tek3, and i have big issues with people just slapping a reflash on as not every car is identical, they are all different, and different mods, cause different characteristics, thus rendering a straight out reflash without a tune pointless..

it smacks of the power chip days when martin donnon raped dumb people for eeproms that did more harm than good

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I rest my case....

Not arguing with that Denver...but we both know that it's a function of the degree of tune and not the product per se

Also no question that there are products at all price tiers (we all have choices and that's great)... but that was not the point of the thread, just as it was not the point to talk up ECUTek or MMS...(though another reply fell straight into that old trap). It was just a comment about perceptions on a forum...

How easy it is to raise people's ire!

forgive my ignorance, and yes i have done a quick search and am not much the wiser, but is verso a company/brand/type of tune? P.S I was looking at getting TEK3 @ RT but if I can get similar for less $................

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phizzle,

check out www.versoautomotive.com

Verso is another type of ECU reflash available for your car.

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cheerz damn no FAQ section. Back to searching the forum!

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nauli, I think you need to grow up.

Yes a lot of people are batting Verso at the moment, as one recent thread was over run by comments on it. I personally don't like it when a thread goes well off topic, as per my post in that thread. But hey, its a new and exciting product so people talk about it. Whoopdeedoo.

I don't see any more ASG comments than RMS and RT comments at the moment.

I also see a lot of autronic, motec and ecutek references.

Are you just wanting someone to say sorry because you kept referencing MMS, ECUtek and people who run ECUtek?

Your replies of "I rest my case...." and "(though another reply fell straight into that old trap)" make no sense to your initial post, as all it seems you want to do is flame verso and all star garage and prop up MMS and ecutek in the same post.

I say fuck it, lets all get motecs, hold hands and sing kumbaya.

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