im very surprised.
i dont know much about the verso tunes and ive never dealt with RaceTorque but all i can say is, ive seen 2 of the same cars with the same mods put out diiferent numbers... could be just unlucky or could still be just the tune/ software itself... thats making your numbers different from mine. could even be the way the car was dyno'd 3rd or a 4th gear pull. I dont know, but i agree with everyone else. you have a great looking car and i know they drive awesome. ENJOY IT brother :))
PS the DBW lag can be sharpenned up a shitload - but be aware it gets annoying clutch in and out all the time in peak hour :P well worth it tho.

you are welcome to PM me if you want more details mate.

[QUOTE=TROLLEY;637556]That is EXACTLY what is bugging the shit out of me, not so much the pure numbers. It would be an expensive exercise, but I am contemplating swapping the turbo back to the stock td04 and see what is does. At least then I'll know whether I have a spastic engine or spastic vf52 :rolleyes:

[I]edit: ewrxion87's car is making 272hp with stock tmic, cai and tdo4 - 272bhp 436nm(aw)[/I]

Kato - as you said at the end of the day, the gains are what I would expect for tmic + headers, I'm just pissed off at the CAI not working and was hoping the initial tune (247hp) was a dud.

In January I will be putting in sway bars which should make the car far more enjoyable :)[/QUOTE]

Trolley

did the turbo inlet hose end up being installed as you said it may not ?

im looking for one and a specific vendor i deal through says it takes up to 5 hrs to fit the pipe as the manifold has to come off...."im sure perrin version fit straight in" ?

anyways i refuse to pay 5 hrs labour for an apparent $400 part....

let me know mate cause if its DIY i will be...

cheers

[QUOTE=TROLLEY;634926]OK, so now that all the parts have arrived I gathered them together for a group shot. They were all very cooperative and OBAYED my every command but showed disappointment with the lack of bathroom spec location, half naked reflections and moobs. The parts will be going in this coming Friday @ STechnic and then off to ASG the following Monday for a retune.

Unfortunately due to my workplace being ages away from C.I.C and not being able to get out there in time, I'll have to forego getting the headers ceramic coated. I'm just going to wrap them and see how they hold up.

The parts list is as follows:
[URL="http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8837/img2453ct.jpg"]Cobb SF Intake (08-11)[/URL]
Silicone turbo intake (may not be installed)
Grimmspeed 3 port boost control solenoid
Unequal length headers & up-pipe
Process West TMIC
Walbro fuel pump



I'll post back up after the retune with elation or disappointment and outline the path the car will (hopefully) take now that the bug has bitten :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

260HP ain't bad at all Craig. You have a nice torque spread over 3k.

Im with Kato in getting some handling mods on the thing and then having some fun @ RAC.

**edit**
Think you could do a small vid of the sound with the headers on there now?

Don't compare your car to ewrxion87, he's full of shit! The only graph he's put up in the performance thread conviently chops off the final figures on the bottom of all mms graphs, and its nearly impossible to make out the left hand scale.
But it looks more like about 170kw/227hp, not 272.

[QUOTE=ewrxion87;642686]did the turbo inlet hose end up being installed as you said it may not ?

im looking for one and a specific vendor i deal through says it takes up to 5 hrs to fit the pipe as the manifold has to come off...."im sure perrin version fit straight in" ?[/QUOTE]

It didn't get installed because the one supplied was incorrect (the vendor kindly refunded the money). From what I've been told, you can put them in without taking the manifold off but you will have to chop up the stock intake hose quite a bit. Depends if you want to keep it in one piece in case something goes wrong (I would). If you want to keep it in one piece then the manifold has to come off as far as I know. I would perhaps check this info with a couple of mechanics however :p

[QUOTE=monkeee;643362]260HP ain't bad at all Craig. You have a nice torque spread over 3k.

Im with Kato in getting some handling mods on the thing and then having some fun @ RAC.

**edit**
Think you could do a small vid of the sound with the headers on there now?[/QUOTE]

After looking at my graph more closely (looking at HP/torque figures at certain rpm points) and comparing it to a few graphs I have saved here from similarly modded cars, I'm fairly content with it. I'm just waiting for some money to clear into my account and sway bars will going in, possibly end-links, possibly ALK.

I have a video on my "to-do" list. I'll try to drag the missus out and get her to film me doing a take off and drive-by. Alternatively pm me your address and I'll flog past ;)

[QUOTE=TROLLEY;643456]Depends if you want to keep it in one piece in case something goes wrong (I would). If you want to keep it in one piece then the manifold has to come off as far as I know. I would perhaps check this info with a couple of mechanics however :p
[/QUOTE]

The stock intake pipe is a piece of shit. I would not hesitate ripping it out and breaking it to get a new silicone unit it, seriously.

Richx,

completely agree mate, but apparently it takes up to 5 hrs to move manifold etc etc...

$400 part plus 5 hrs labour..... id love to be able to do it on my own.. but thats a big job on a reasonably new car to stuff up.

completely disheartened... not getting headers/ uppipe, pulley or inlet hose now... over it.... gonna cost me a 1400 in labour on top of the parts cost... rediculous imo

saving up for cosworth front mount and a td05 18g /20g twinscroll around June... and fuel pump and injectors i spose too

if you have recommendations for an 08 model feel free to add your opinion / advice.

Trolley - cheers mate that clears a few things up...my stock inlet hose isnt coping with boost.... my car is getting tired very quickly - needs retuning (i rekon its a airflow issue and fuel mixture as i can smell petrol burning). can just about guarentee the horsepower i was getting i aint anymore.

[QUOTE=RichX;643461]The stock intake pipe is a piece of shit. I would not hesitate ripping it out and breaking it to get a new silicone unit it, seriously.[/QUOTE]

Craig ---- What you have is good enough. Numbers don't matter as different dynos, different atmospherics produce variances. What matters is how it drives on the road and if you are happy with the response, then it is all that matters.

Ewrxion87 --- 272hp vs 436Nm, the torque is definitely at the flywheel though.
EDIT: 272hp is good power regardless!

Now you boys must decide how to use that power to good use on the drags, skids or track.

the graph is on one of these threads... shows otherwise...mms did a good job but either way your right at the moment the car is performing terribly....

i need it retuned asap and i cant get to mms for the ecutek guy to fix it cause im working away - dont know which other vendor is pro at ecutek...

dont suppose you can hook me up with a good twinscroll turbo kit for a decent price fitted

fmic or good tmic
twinscroll or gtr30 /35 or similar
injectors
probably fuel pump

what would be a ball park figure so im thinking realistically?

i want 300 to 350 hp atw

for the coutesy of this thread pm me and il chat with you in more detail if you can help me.


[QUOTE=mao;643629]Craig ---- What you have is good enough. Numbers don't matter as different dynos, different atmospherics produces variances. What matters is how it drives on the road and if you are happy with the response, then it is all that matters.

Ewrxion87 --- 272hp vs 436Nm, the torque is definitely at the flywheel.[/QUOTE]

350hp (261kw) at the hubs won't happen on stock ej255 internals for long (if at all).

Maybe if all your dyno runs are done in 3rd like your last one....... lol!

fyi: 350 hp at the hubs would be in the ball park of ~ 440 HP (300kw) at the flywheel..... 77% more than the 169kw (226 hp) it came with good luck with the cadbury pistons & wafer cylinder walls of the 255.

Tbh, if a few hundred bucks for installing headers/inlets is not your thing... Installing a GT35 + FMIC + Injectors + Fuel Pump + all the other bits that go along with getting that installed is going to make you cry.

Then if you do it without strengthening the bottom end, it may not have too much longevity.

[QUOTE=ewrxion87;643566] but apparently it takes up to 5 hrs to move manifold etc etc...

.[/QUOTE]

I had mine installed without doing that.

LOL 3rd gear pull wasnt my decision i assumed thats normal at the time... im clearly not as car educated as some but im trying.

is the 255 really that weak... i see all these youtube videos pulling 460hp... your telling me they blow in a month...

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwf8roYuN3c]Agency Power 2008 Subaru WRX GT35R Turbo Kit + FM Intercooler 2 - YouTube[/url]

[QUOTE=Rossco;643632]350hp (261kw) at the hubs won't happen on stock ej255 internals for long (if at all).

Maybe if all your dyno runs are done in 3rd like your last one....... lol!

fyi: 350 hp at the hubs would be in the ball park of ~ 440 HP (300kw) at the flywheel..... 77% more than the 169kw (226 hp) it came with good luck with the cadbury pistons & wafer cylinder walls of the 255.[/QUOTE]

American dyno = Disney dyno i.e. Fantasia

i dont mind spending money to have things installed but $500 to install a $300/400 inlet hose seems rediculous to me...$200 to install a pulley and $300 to install a uppipe.... all the parts cost less to buy lol.

thats why im saying im probably better off getting the whole lot done as a package ???

is 300hp atw within reason ?

[QUOTE=Kato;643637]Tbh, if a few hundred bucks for installing headers/inlets is not your thing... Installing a GT35 + FMIC + Injectors + Fuel Pump + all the other bits that go along with getting that installed is going to make you cry.

Then if you do it without strengthening the bottom end, it may not have too much longevity.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ewrxion87;643666]
is 300hp atw within reason ?[/QUOTE]

Yep, with a 20g it is!

but i wouldn't go past 330hp with a 255 that seems to be about the reasonable limit

350 is to much!

You are paying for the labour cost. Getting a lot done at the same time only saves money if it is all in the same area. I.e. silicone inlet + turbo swap.

Have a look at the DIY guides on the net for removing the manifold and you will see that it is a time intensive process. A part may be cheap, but getting to where you can install the part takes time. Workshops won't do this for free just because it is a cheap part.

Personally for things like that, I would try and install it yourself. Plenty for DIY guides out there and you could also try doing it without removing the manifold.

Also that video you posting is a load of American crap. WRX 5 speed driveline with the stepped shaft would be a timebomb on 350hp at the wheels, never mind 460hp. So regardless of the engine holding up, there are a lot of weak links that could go first.

300hp at the wheels is about right. Up to 350 would be possible, but expect a big bill somewhere in the future.

don't believe the hype....300 hp on stock internals is as far as you would want to go in this country...the yanks are in their own fantasy world.

[QUOTE=ewrxion87;643666]i dont mind spending money to have things installed but $500 to install a $300/400 inlet hose seems rediculous to me...$200 to install a pulley and $300 to install a uppipe.... all the parts cost less to buy lol.
[/QUOTE]

just wait till your motor blows up and do it all at once, shouldn't be long.... vvvvvvvv

[QUOTE=ewrxion87;643566]my car is getting tired very quickly - needs retuning (i rekon its a airflow issue and fuel mixture as i can smell petrol burning). can just about guarentee the horsepower i was getting i aint anymore.[/QUOTE]

i just booked it in to racetorque... do a power run....then diagnostics... then retune

that should get me on my feet til june when i do the mods...

While we're off the topic of my car and talking about 3rd gear pulls, horsepower and American fantasy dyno's... I want to know how iceken's car is going. He's gone to ground :(

sorry bro....i tired to stop my interferemce earlier...

lol, I honestly don't mind.

I do...

[QUOTE=V3 RA;643676]just wait till your motor blows up and do it all at once, shouldn't be long.... vvvvvvvv[/QUOTE]

LOL fuel smell = blowby

[QUOTE=teejay;643701]LOL fuel smell = blowby[/QUOTE]

Install $250 catch can - $450. lololololololol

700 bucks is almost a set of new pistons it will need.

[QUOTE=teejay;643701]LOL fuel smell = blowby[/QUOTE]

Plus rough running, sounds about right.

so you guys rekon its related to pcv....

i just come back all clear from a compression test etc...

[QUOTE=TROLLEY;643690]While we're off the topic of my car and talking about 3rd gear pulls, horsepower and American fantasy dyno's... I want to know how iceken's car is going. He's gone to ground :([/QUOTE]

Hey TROLLEY,

my car is going great, just had a minor problem with one of the cylinders misfired due to running 95 octane (was told it was too lean to run 95 and use 98 at all times for my current mods and tune). But besides that everything is fine and still happy about it.

Also with my dyno how it is done in 3rd gear and is calculated as a virtual dyno, i'll do a power run at Evo R and see what the real numbers are =P

At the moment my car is just sitting in the garage for the pass week or so as i'm overseas at the moment.

When i'm back in Perth, I'm still considering if i'm going to get larger injectors, fuel pump, ATP GTX3076R turbo and internals upgrade.
But i'm most likely deffs going to get STD coilovers and lower it a bit more.

Will be updating my page when i'm back in Perth in Feb.

[QUOTE=iceken;644047]my car is going great.[/QUOTE]

Thank fuck. I was really worried it had gone pop and you went to ground. No doubt you saw the Americans get stuck into me in 3gwrx, I was just voicing my concern that they were misleading you a little bit in terms of horsepower comparison. By all means they'll offer some great advice and examples of winning setups, just don't let their huge numbers blind you in the decision making process!

Glad to hear all is well, make sure you keep us updated via your driveway thread :)

haha yeah,

They do have some winning setups but for horsepower numbers theirs is fantasy numbers like how everyone says and we cant really compare to those numbers. =)

Will be updating my driveway when i get back. =)

How your car running at the moment?

[QUOTE=iceken;644051]How your car running at the moment?[/QUOTE]
Runs fine, just not getting much use at the moment as I'm on holidays but working at home and not getting out much. Battery went flat the other day for an unknown reason so charged that up and keeping an eye on it. Waiting for some $'s that are owed to me and sway bars will be on :D

Minor and rather uninteresting update, but the trolley now has some whiteline goodies. Front 24mm 2 way adjustable sway (set to stiffest setting), Rear 22mm 3 way adjustable sway (set to medium) and anti lift kit.

Over the next few months I will collect a few other small offerings from Whiteline, hopefully get myself a helmet and attend some skids.

Probably best purchase so far. I went short shifter, sway bays, ...

Nice, interested to know why you went 24mm front and 22mm rear when everyone seems to go 22mm front and 24mm rear?

Keep it up Craig.

[QUOTE=forde;673620]Nice, interested to know why you went 24mm front and 22mm rear when everyone seems to go 22mm front and 24mm rear?[/QUOTE]

x2

Thats going to understeer harder ... well than a WRX

Perhaps the numbers are reversed by accident?

[QUOTE=forde;673620]Nice, interested to know why you went 24mm front and 22mm rear when everyone seems to go 22mm front and 24mm rear?[/QUOTE]

Maybe it's the older chassis that sees owners wanting/needing a thicker rear bar, but everything I have read from the usual suspects in regards to forums, owners of 08+ WRX's seem to favour a thicker bar at the front. [URL="http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15503396&postcount=5"]This post[/URL] was an interesting read and John @ Wheels World also suggested 24/22 when I initially got a quote from him late last year.

By mistake, I actually had a 22mm on the front for the past week. That's why I was back at EvoR this evening, getting the 24mm I actually ordered put on in place of it. I think it feels much stiffer and more precise. Having said that, I haven't really driven my car hard enough to encounter much understeer. If I do, I'll drop it back to the softer setting, and improve my driving skills (which I dare say are non existent at this stage).