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Old 05-04-2012, 02:12 PM
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Yes nice work Wavey.. Get the intercooler fixed and you might start wearing out some tyres!

Nic's car is repairable.. but with a lot of work and cash.. Roll cage was ok.

Nic said it was his most scariest off... would of stained my whites as well...

(Also.. top photo work to the poeple behind the cameras.. good stuff!!)
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Finally finding some time to do a little bit of a write up about the rally after this busy week...

As always, was a great weekend away. Congrats to all the competitors and thank you to all the officials. Our stage, Ellis, ran smoothly on the Saturday and almost as smoothly on the Sunday (if it hadn't have been for the strong wind blowing our tent, paper work and even the clock over at the start control). Unfortunately when it came to the bike's second run through we had to send them back to the service area because the stage was cancelled due to the fire near by. The new timing system thingo seemed to have worked well. Pretty easy to just punch in the car number and clear it after they have broken the beam. Few hiccups with bikes having the wrong box receiver though haha!

Overall a great rally, bring on the next one!

P.S Great photos everyone! I took a few but only from the start line, no action shots. Oh how i want to be a road closure!! haha
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There is a couple of reasons why we didn't say much at the Healthway Loop spectator point.
1.) We had no rally radios and were not informed Nic & Ash had gone off the road. Didn't know they had crashed until the stage was cancelled due to the bush fire.
2.) Had we known, we wouldn't have said anything anyway. Have to be careful speculating on accidents at events. There is a process to follow and if the incident is serious, family/friends/service crew, need to find out through the proper channels, not from commentators at a spectator point.

Thankfully the guys are not seriously injured and I believe the car can be repaired even though it looks a mess.

Was a trying rally for many teams this year, not many made it through unscathed without some sort of drama.

I'll get an event wrap up in this thread and on FB in the next couple of days.

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Thanks for the comentary, its the first time I've heared you do that and it was informative.

I did notice that the "comentary crew" were more or less ticking the cars off between the start and coming round again, and Nick was missed, and there are many reasons that a car may or may not finish a stage, most are mechanical, but I agree, not much can be said and, if there are any injuries, they need to go through the propper channels to get to the crews and families.

Something that may help the comentary team next year, and most of this information is supplied by Rally WA on their web page, is have Rally WA supply you guys with a bit more information to make your job easier. eg maps of the stage, Kinky they weren't sure where the SxS would be travelling, (I gave Ollie a copy of the stage map from the web which cleared it up.) Results could come out via say 000 car, or another vehicle which follows the stage (and can pick up from Rally HQ when their there)

The idea is to help you guys get over the PA accurate and reasonably up to date info to the crowd. This may improove next year as the Rally WA page gets more known for its live timings, but this is not accessable in some of the spectator points.

Keep up the good work.
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Finally finding some time to do a little bit of a write up about the rally after this busy week...

As always, was a great weekend away. Congrats to all the competitors and thank you to all the officials. Our stage, Ellis, ran smoothly on the Saturday and almost as smoothly on the Sunday (if it hadn't have been for the strong wind blowing our tent, paper work and even the clock over at the start control). Unfortunately when it came to the bike's second run through we had to send them back to the service area because the stage was cancelled due to the fire near by. The new timing system thingo seemed to have worked well. Pretty easy to just punch in the car number and clear it after they have broken the beam. Few hiccups with bikes having the wrong box receiver though haha!

Overall a great rally, bring on the next one!

P.S Great photos everyone! I took a few but only from the start line, no action shots. Oh how i want to be a road closure!! haha

we had same problem at kinky stage with two bike guys swapping there transmitters, and transmitters that were not responding or ''0.0V'' still a great system better the the old way. morning stage was flat out especially 1 min intervals between bikes
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Round one of the State Rally Championship (WARC) and WA Clubman Rally Series got underway at the end of March with the Quit Forest Rally in the state’s southwest.

The season opener was the biggest event on the WA Rally calendar in terms of both distance and status. The Forest Rally is a two day event run as two separate heats, for the WARC, ½ points are awarded for each heat that contributes toward the total for the weekend.

The Forest again followed its well established format with tarmac stages in Busselton on Friday and Saturday nights, followed respectively with gravel stages around the forest plantations in Nannup, some 50km south of the coast. As well as being a WARC & Clubman round, the Forest Rally is also a round of the Australian Rally Championship and included motorbikes, quad bikes and off road buggies known as side by sides.



Rain had been forecast in the lead up to the rally, however the weekend was mostly dry and dusty. During pace noting on the days before the event, competitors found out the roads were very loose this year. Without some moisture to bind the surface, ruts would become an issue as well as soft powdery dust in some places.



Heat one kicked off Friday night with a carnival atmosphere around the short tarmac stage on the Busselton foreshore. It had been a long break since the end of the 2011 season and some were still dialling in to the competition. Several teams nudged the concrete barriers or hay bales as they travelled around the circuit.

After two short runs of the tarmac stage competitors headed to bed for the early start and the forestry stages on Saturday.



A short service on Saturday morning saw teams head out to tackle two of the longest stages in succession first up. In those first couple of stages it was evident that the long break had taken its toll on both competitors and machinery.

Doug Tostevin/Tammy Adams lost power in their WRX in SS3, possibly down to a suspect batch of fuel and had to stop in the stage. New comers Carlos Deltoro/Darren Wiese went off not far into SS1 in their 4WD Turbo Group N (P) Corolla and got stuck well off the road. After winning the first of the forest stages (SS3) Leigh Hynes/Stuart Percival retired their WRX with a broken driveshaft. John Macara/Richard Harris also retired early in their new Lancer Evo 7. First suffering with steering problems then a blown engine, the pair were relegated to spectating for the rest of the weekend. Graeme Miles/Lisa Read White also retired early from the weekend. Suspected first as a blown turbo, the engine in the blue WRX appeared to have expired.

As the day progressed, the dry conditions were posing somewhat of a problem for teams. Whilst wind was helping with the dust in some places, the loose surface was wearing tyres heavily. Without the bigger budgets and a large supply of tyres of some of the top teams, privateers in the WARC needed to be conscious of their tyres and the length of the event. At least one team realised mid way through Saturday that their supply of fresh tyres was low and they still had Heat 2 to think about.



Raz Vlad/Damon Nicoli were not having a good Forest Rally this year. Their Fiesta ST was suffering with gearbox troubles and the team withdrew from the heat to remove and strip the gearbox after SS6. On the repeat of the Kinky stage (SS7), Garry Whittle/Ryan Doe went off the road and rolled their WRX heavily. Up until the off, the pair had been holding down 3rd place in the WARC. Blair Pugh/Paul Helm had been leading the State 2WD section of the event in their Ford Escort for most of the day. During SS8 the Escort broke a rear leaf spring and had to retire. Without a spare spring at the rally, the team made a mercy dash back to Perth to collect a spare to allow Pugh/Helm to start in Heat 2.



After two short sprints around the Nannup Oval spectator stage, teams finished heat 1 and entered a 2 hour service.

In 10th for the heat were the brothers of Craig & Scott Puzey. The team had upgraded from a high revving 2WD Mitsubishi Mirage to a 4WD Turbo Subaru Legacy (Liberty) RS and the result was good for a first attempt at all wheel drive. John Clinton/Alex White (Evo 9) finished the heat in 9th place behind Chard Marshall/Sharon Black in their WRX in 8th. Julian Wright/Ian De Boer drove their Datsun 1200 to a brilliant 7th place with father and son Mike & Jack Civil 6th in their Evo 6. Showing many how it was done, 17 year old Dylan King made 5th in his Ford Escort with Andrew Hannigan in the hot seat. John O’Dowd/Ben Searcy took their spec C WRX to a tidy 4th behind brothers Steve and Mark Davies (WRX) in 3rd. Alex Stone and Hanna Drury (WRX) drove neatly during heat 1 and bagged 2nd place behind Tom Wilde/Lee Tierney (Evo 10) who won the heat.



Heat 2 started the same as heat one with two runs around the Busselton tarmac stage on Saturday evening.

Leigh Hynes/Stuart Percival and Doug Tostevin/Tammy Adams had been able to sort their WRX’s and started heat 2. Both teams shared the 4th quickest time on the first pass on the tarmac. Also taking the start of heat 2 was Carlos Deltoro/Darren Wiese. It had taken a good couple of hours to recover the lodged Corolla from the bush in Kinky. Without any apparent damage to the car, Deltoro/Wiese set the 6th fastest time on the first pass around Busselton. In the 2WD ranks, Kiel Douglas/Anthony Paynter had been pleasing the spectators. On the tarmac the guys produced plenty of rear tyre smoke and through the gravel stages, the sideways style and the barking V8 of the big Commodore was a big draw card. On the second pass on the tarmac on Saturday night the diff expired and the Commodore coasted back to the in field. The service crew feverishly replaced the diff to allow the Commodore to re-start on the gravel on Sunday morning.

Light overnight rain had done little to damp down the dust on the forest stages. It was probably a good thing the rain was only light as heavy down pours would have no doubt turned the loose roads into slippery mud.

Into the forests Sunday morning Hynes/Percival leapt out of the blocks with a stage win first up and the game was on. The pair would run in the top 4 for the early part of heat 2. Unfortunately in SS16 it all came undone in when another broken driveshaft spelt retirement for the orange and blue WRX. The attrition didn’t end there either. Sean Keating/Caleb Ash were forced out with engine troubles in their rapid Nissan Silvia and Chard Marshall/Sharon Black (WRX) had to retire with boost problems in SS16. Kevin Sleep/Niall Doherty were struggling by SS17 with electrical dramas in their Honda Civic which led to retirement.



The Forest rally had certainly proved a trying event for many teams both on the stages and in the service park. The biggest drama of the weekend was not to come from the rally itself. Just as WARC competitors were due to start the 3rd last stage of the event, a bush fire broke out away from the rally’s stages. All emergency vehicles in the area were required and had to be called away from the rally. The remaining stages of the weekend were subsequently cancelled.



Many cars showed the scars of competition over the weekend, maybe none more so than the team of Nic Box/Ash Ridden. Whilst not technically entered in the State Championship, the WA competitors were leading the 4WD section of the ARC by just over 20 seconds. On the Healthway loop stage the pair had an off at high speed and used their Evo 9 as a logging machine snapping a few trees off on the way through. Showing testament to the strength and safety equipment in rally cars, both walked away from the accident.



In 10th place for heat 2 was the pairing of John Clinton/Alex White (Evo 9). After the Heat 1 dramas Carlos Deltoro/Darren Wiese brought their ex works Corolla Sportivo home 9th and Blair Pugh/Paul Helm (Escort) kept their suspension intact to make the finish line in 8th. Dylan King/Andrew Hannigan had a brilliant drive in their Escort finishing 7th in heat 2. The pair had not only won 2WD in the WARC for the weekend, King had entered the Junior Challenge in the ARC and finished well in that too. Mike and Jack Civil (Evo 6) finished 6th with a solid performance behind John O’Dowd/Ben Searcy (Spec C WRX) in 5th place. Steve & Mark Davies finished heat 2 in 4th place, however had enough points to take 3rd outright for the weekend. It was a brilliant drive for the guys and once they had ironed out minor teething troubles with their WRX, admitted to thoroughly enjoying themselves. Doug Tostevin/Tammy Adams (WRX) had a much better run during heat 2 and finished 3rd for the day. Alex Stone/Hanna Drury (WRX) drove well all weekend and took 2nd place for heat 2 and the weekend. On the podium in 1st place was the team of Tom Wilde/Lee Tierney (Evo 10). The pair had entered in both the State and National championship sections of the Forest Rally and took the outright 4WD win in the ARC too. It had been 20 years since the last time that a WA competitor had won the Forest Rally at ARC level.



The next round of the WARC and Clubman Series will see teams head to the old Donnelly Mill site near Bridgetown for the Donnelly Rally. The event is scheduled for the 19th of May. Results and information on all WA Rallies can be found on the rallywa website: RallyWA - RallyWA.com
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Thanks for the comentary, its the first time I've heared you do that and it was informative.

I did notice that the "comentary crew" were more or less ticking the cars off between the start and coming round again, and Nick was missed, and there are many reasons that a car may or may not finish a stage, most are mechanical, but I agree, not much can be said and, if there are any injuries, they need to go through the propper channels to get to the crews and families.

Something that may help the comentary team next year, and most of this information is supplied by Rally WA on their web page, is have Rally WA supply you guys with a bit more information to make your job easier. eg maps of the stage, Kinky they weren't sure where the SxS would be travelling, (I gave Ollie a copy of the stage map from the web which cleared it up.) Results could come out via say 000 car, or another vehicle which follows the stage (and can pick up from Rally HQ when their there)

The idea is to help you guys get over the PA accurate and reasonably up to date info to the crowd. This may improove next year as the Rally WA page gets more known for its live timings, but this is not accessable in some of the spectator points.

Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the feedback. The commentary for me was a last minute thing.
I was asked if I could help out particularly with the WARC having local knowledge of the stages and competitors. Personally it is a pet hate of mine when commentators do not have much knowledge of the competitors or cars.
It would certainly help to have up to date results, I'd love to see that improvement for future events.
Guess I'll see if I'm able to commentate on future events. It will depend on whether I am servicing or competing....
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Karl, did you have access to the media sheets we fill out with our entries? I often wonder if they go straight in the bin when I hear some of the commentary....?

(not criticism directed at you, just a general observation based on many years of listening to ill informed commentary)

I also don't get why comentators feel the need to embellish with made up 'facts'

ie; concrete barriers do not weigh over 2 tonnes each. The VE Commodore was not built from a brand "spanking" new car, it was bought at a government auction and it does NOT have a V8 Supercar engine. (if it did it wouldn't even be close to rally legal)
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Doug,

Olly had the media sheets on Sunday morning at Healthway loop and was reading some of the info out so yes I guess they do get get the sheets. I think Olly did read your sheet out and he was picking some of the more humerous comments, particularly martital status. Some time ago Stoney wrote his occupation as "Postie bike rider" on a form and was surprised that someone had read it and picked up on it.
How far in advance, who are given the sheets and when is another question. You just have to think about who normally heads the commentary team for most rallies and well....

It was mentioned (not by me) on several occassions about the VE being built from a brand new car during the weekend. As I didn't know personally, I thought it was a genuine fact. I didn't hear the V8 Supercar engine comment. "Doug Testosterone" Did make the list through most of the weekend too.
We did have a running joke over the weekend about the HP generated by Kiel's VS Commodore. It started at 300HP and increased as the weekend wore on. With an auction at Healthway loop, it ended up being around 800!
I hope at least after this QFR, some of the commentary sounded more informed.
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Karl,

Thanks for accepting the roll as commentator, it did come across to me that you were more factual, and have a driving (recent) background.

Being involved in a few Clubs, its the communication between the Club and the public is the most important part in bringing people back and join the Club. Here I'm using Rally as the Club, and the spectators as the public, and noticed that the numbers turning out are dwindling over the past few years.

I don't believe it would be hard for the media manager to put in an envelope information suitable for the commentators, distributed by say 000 dropping the info to the near by SOS point, or road closure guys. Could help with providing the public with accurate information.

800Hp was mentioned tongue in cheek but was that at the fly wheel or at all four wheels?
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Being involved in a few Clubs, its the communication between the Club and the public is the most important part in bringing people back and join the Club. Here I'm using Rally as the Club, and the spectators as the public, and noticed that the numbers turning out are dwindling over the past few years.

I don't believe it would be hard for the media manager to put in an envelope information suitable for the commentators, distributed by say 000 dropping the info to the near by SOS point, or road closure guys. Could help with providing the public with accurate information.

800Hp was mentioned tongue in cheek but was that at the fly wheel or at all four wheels?
When it was identified some years ago that Rally Promotion was virtually non existent at state level, the State Rally Panel started to put some measures in place (including forming Rallywa). Things have improved a lot over the last 10 years or so and there is still some work to be done. These days generally Rallywa will provide some championship promotion, the rallywa website and peripheral items such as door plates and emergency services, however individual organisers promote their own events.
As most organisers are so tied up with getting their rally off the ground and running whilst balancing full time jobs/family, promotion is usually the last thing that is thought about.
The QFR is a little different due to its status as a round of the ARC and the Clerk of Course's personal situation.

When Rally Australia was in Perth the 000 or 00 cars used to drop results as they went around the stages, if the resources were available it would be a good idea to do it for all state rallies. The other way to let people know about the event progress is via rally radio. On some events when there is a gap in the rally radio traffic, the results of the top five are broadcast to keep officials informed. This of course does not necessarily help out the public who would like information on the rally.

I believe the 800HP was at the rear wheels, at the fly wheel it would be at least 1000
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