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Old 24-08-2010, 09:09 AM
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The Greens actually did have a "preference" explanation on their how to vote cards.
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Old 24-08-2010, 09:30 AM
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DIVORCE AGREEMENT

THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY WELL PUT AND I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE
IT'S BY A YOUNG PERSON, A STUDENT!!!
WHATEVER HE RUNS FOR, I'LL VOTE FOR HIM.

Dear Australian Labourites, leftists, social progressives, socialists,
Marxists and Gillard, et al:

We have stuck together since the late 1950's for the sake of the kids, but
the whole of this latest election process has made me realise that I want a
divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of
future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course.


Our two ideological sides of Australia cannot and will not ever agree on
what is right for us all, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can
smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.

Here is a model separation agreement:

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a
similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two
sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively
easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets
since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.

We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to
the labour judges and the CFMEU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our
firearms, the cops, and the military. We'll take the nasty, smelly oil
industry and you can go with wind, solar and biodiesel. You can keep the
ABC left wingers and Kerry O'Brien. You are, however, responsible for
finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all of them.

We'll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies,
Woolworths and the Stock Exchange. You can have your beloved lifelong
welfare dwellers, food stamps, homeless, homeboys, hippies, druggies and
illegal aliens. We'll keep the budgie smuggling, bike riding, volunteer
firemen and lifesavers greedy CEO's and rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and
give you ABC and Bollywood .

You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to
invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and
war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll
help provide them security.

We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values. You are welcome to Islam,
Scientology, Humanism, political correctness and Penny Wong. You can also
have the U.N. But we will no longer be paying the bill.

We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take
every Subaru station wagon you can find.

You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors.
We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right. We'll
keep "Waltzing Matilda" and "The National Anthem." I'm sure you'll be happy
to substitute "Imagine", "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing", "Kum Ba Ya"
or "We Are the World".

We'll practice trickle down economics and you can continue to give trickle
up poverty your best shot.

Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our
flag.

Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like-minded
liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete.
In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you answer which one of us will
need whose help in 15 years.

Sincerely,
John J. Wall
Law Student and an Australian

P.S. Also, please take Lindsey Tanner, Wayne Swan, Peter Garrett and Jenny
Macklin with you.

P. S. S. And you won't have to press 1 for English when you call our
country.
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You really need to lay down the crack pipe.
Instead of insulting me and implying that i'm crazy, why wouldn't you check to see if what i'm saying has any credibility? find out where the funding for both you're major parties comes from... its not that hard. Thought this was interestingly relevant to you're post as it certainly was what i intended to do in the reply to you're post:

Common Sheeple Arguments
Below are listed some of the most often uttered sheeple arguments, as well as the rational responses to them.

1) The NWO/Globalist government is just a “conspiracy theory”: Set aside the fact that politicians and leaders of finance talk about the New World Order constantly in speeches, books, and on nighttime television. The temptation here is to push the sheeple label and start a battle of insults. When someone accuses you of “conspiracy theory” what they are really saying is that you are a liar, crazy, or both. Of course, calling someone a liar or crazy does not negate their arguments. Hollow character attacks like this are meant to interfere or defuse legitimate and logical discussion. Force the sheeple to address the information you present instead of allowing them to make your personal character the subject of the debate. This rule goes for you too. Don’t just call them sheeple without backing up your claims and pointing out the inconsistencies in their beliefs.

Its an exerpt from a blog explaining the different mindsets and arguments encountered when trying to inform people of the truth about whats really going on. So! heres my proposal:
You show me you're evidence, i'll show you mine and we come to an informed conclusion instead of resorting to namecalling like children.
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Old 24-08-2010, 10:07 AM
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So! heres my proposal:
You show me you're evidence, i'll show you mine and we come to an informed conclusion instead of resorting to namecalling like children.
You are the one who keeps banging on about NWO stuff, so here's my rebuttal.

1. Tell people how a vote in the just had election could change this.
2. Explain how the population of Australia would ever 'have a say' if the world was to head towards a NWO backed by these evil 'corporations'. We are only 20 million people. Cities in USA, Europe and Asia have far more people than us.
3. Explain the problem of a one world government? Other than of course the 'corporations' will make money from it.
4. Show some explicit proof that Australia is secretly plotting to have this happen. Movies such as Zeitgeist etc, whilst very interesting do not show proof.
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You are the one who keeps banging on about NWO stuff, so here's my rebuttal.

1. Tell people how a vote in the just had election could change this.
2. Explain how the population of Australia would ever 'have a say' if the world was to head towards a NWO backed by these evil 'corporations'. We are only 20 million people. Cities in USA, Europe and Asia have far more people than us.
3. Explain the problem of a one world government? Other than of course the 'corporations' will make money from it.
4. Show some explicit proof that Australia is secretly plotting to have this happen. Movies such as Zeitgeist etc, whilst very interesting do not show proof.
1: If people don't vote for corporate funded parties(assuming the voting system is not rigged) then the power to pass laws in australia is taken away from the extremely wealthy and powerful handful of corporations.
2: We don't "have a say" so to speak in the politics of other nations but we could safely assume that if australia did break away from tradition and someone got in power that made radical changes to how the country was run to favour the benefit of the people instead of corporations, then people in other countries would definitely hear about it and i think that would go a long way toward empowering them in inciting their own shift of power, for example, if the government took control of the australian currency again, instead of allowing a privatised central bank to determine interest rates and print money to its hearts content.
3: the problem is not the idea itself, the problem is who is going to be in power, and how it is going to be used. instituted under the current regime of power. If it was an individualist government who valued the liberties of individuals, and treated EVERYONE equally under law(what is in the US constitution but not upheld anymore) ie: knowing that a corporation is not a big fancy entity that has more importance that a bloke who owns a house next to a high power traffic line, infact a corporation is just a bunch of people, who have no more or less rights than that one bloke, and can try to persuade him to move, but under no circumstances may they coerce/force him to then it would be a very good thing i think. Due to the nature of men and the fact that there will always be people who will abuse power. the power of the government should be limited to defending the rights of individuals and doing things that benefit individuals, not in the greater good mentality that you posted earlier on in this thread, but for the greater good provided it doesn't violate any individuals/minorities rights.
4: Zeitgeist is interesting, but not particularly factual and doesn't promote individualism, it promotes a form of hippy communism, which although sounds nice, is no different to how things stand at the moment really, the power is still in the hands of an elite few. the real issue is people don't understand government as a simple scale, anarchy on one end, and totalitarianism on the other. I can't show explicit proof that it's happening, all there ever is is evidence, you decide whether the evidence is compelling or not. Its not australia explicitly that is forming the NWO, its much bigger than that and if you read the PDF's i posted earlier in the thread thats a pretty good basis of evidence to start with... i have checked and cross referenced enough of it to say that its well researched and accurate.
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As long as there is a financial system nothing will change the abuse or controlling rights for the greater good of 'mankind'. Given a 'vast' majority of the masses are not in the business of risk management to better themselves be it personally or financially, the world of politics and financial institutions will always reign supreme.

Power corrupts, and those that want to live a better life will chase it, those that don't want to worry or take a chance, will go with the flow and bitch and moan.

This is the reality of today's society.
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Power corrupts, and those that want to live a better life will chase it, those that don't want to worry or take a chance, will go with the flow and bitch and moan.

This is the reality of today's society.
Ideology is great, as is the thought of a 'perfect world' - but what you'd just said is the reality. Its human nature, that will never change.
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As long as there is a financial system nothing will change the abuse or controlling rights for the greater good of 'mankind'. Given a 'vast' majority of the masses are not in the business of risk management to better themselves be it personally or financially, the world of politics and financial institutions will always reign supreme.

Power corrupts, and those that want to live a better life will chase it, those that don't want to worry or take a chance, will go with the flow and bitch and moan.

This is the reality of today's society.
You mean to say, as long as the "financial system" is in control of our rights, then nothing will change.
I think the vast majority is not aware of what is actually happening. Power certainly does corrupt, those that want to change the world to make it how they see fit will always chase it, and the people who want to just live their lives in peace will not, so the balance is always stacked in favour of the people who chase it.
That doesn't mean its everyones nature, the founding fathers of america put specific instructions in the constitution to stop the people who chase power from gaining too much of it, but sadly those ideals have gone by the wayside due to a myriad of things that have happened, but i think if ever there was a chance at it working and making people aware of it, it would be now, because you're average bloke has access to all the information he could ever need to make an informed decision at his fingertips... until the filter comes in that is....
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